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> There's no singular 'linux experience' True, there’s two: 1. Complaining about your experience, only to be told that someone else doesn’t have problems beca

> There's no singular 'linux experience' True, there’s two: 1. Complaining about your experience, only to be told that someone else doesn’t have problems because they’re better at it than you. 2. Being the guy who says he’s better.

LarryMullins 4y ago
And then there's this guy, who gets mad at people who share positive experiences because he thinks the discussion is the rightful territory of those who want to complain.
- aussiesnack 4y ago
  The apparently innocent "sharing" of positive experiences - so sweet! so nice! - is from Linux self-identifiers all too often a very crude backhanded "you're wrong about the problems you claim to have with Linux, and if you're not wrong, then you're at least thick or lazy".
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    You've pulled these insults out of thin air. I have no animosity towards Windows or Mac users, nor for those that might hypothetically like Linux but understandably have better things to do with their time than learn the ins and outs of it.
    - aussiesnack 4y ago
      Apologies if that seemed directed at you personally, which wasn't my intent. Attribute it to HN trigger-finger. It is a general and widespread phenomenon though that anyone who has been less than positive towards Linux on HN or anywhere will recognise. I don't think it reflects animosity towards users of mainstream OS's so much as defensiveness, particularly from strongly self-identified Linux advocates. Which is all a bit daft, because it's (a) perfectly obvious that Linux has plenty of problems (how could something as vast as an OS not?), and (b) that doesn't make it any less the clear choice for some classes of user (like myself).
      - LarryMullins 4y ago
        Sure, as I say in my first comment, there is a lot of software for linux that just isn't very good, and there is a lot of bad advice and bad defaults floating around. Separating the wheat from the chaff is a daunting task to any new user, and I think most will fail and feel dejected unless they have a strong personal motive to stick with it and learn through experience. It's definitely not for everybody and I don't expect it ever will be. But if somebody does stick with it and gain that experience, it's often possible for them to find a combination of software and settings that earnestly work well for them personally. It's not as though linux users are all masochists, the reason I continue using Linux is because for me, it's lower stress and hassle than anything else. I learned to use it when I was younger and thought that tinkering with such software was fun. That allure wore off years ago and my present self wouldn't have the patience to learn it all over again, but Linux remains the best choice for me given the experience I already have with it.
        aussiesnack 4y ago
        I use Linux (Fedora in my case) as my primary (actually sole non-mobile right now) OS, with software dev as my focus. Its the best for my purpose, though I've used both MacOS and Windows extensively so I have a reasonable awareness of the relative tradeoffs. I do find the Linux community often insufferable though. Also often extremely helpful however. I guess communities also have their tradeoffs.
    - delta_p_delta_x 4y ago
      > those that might hypothetically like Linux but understandably have better things to do with their time than learn the ins and outs of it. This is me. I have one SSD each dedicated to Windows and Linux, and I use Linux fairly regularly. However, I still use Windows for most of my work, because Linux's multi-monitor, Wayland, and HiDPI support is still questionable. I used to love to tinker, but now I just want to get my work done.
mmcgaha 4y ago
At this point in my life I have almost lost all faith in people sharing an honest assessment of anything. The Linux is hard trope is really starting to bore me. I get it things may be different on Linux/Mac/Windows but most UI things are pretty easy to accomplish everywhere. Should I complain that windows is hard because find-xargs-grep isn’t available in the default install even though it is pretty easy to install the software?

LarryMullins 4y ago

And then there's this guy, who gets mad at people who share positive experiences because he thinks the discussion is the rightful territory of those who want to complain.

aussiesnack 4y ago
The apparently innocent "sharing" of positive experiences - so sweet! so nice! - is from Linux self-identifiers all too often a very crude backhanded "you're wrong about the problems you claim to have with Linux, and if you're not wrong, then you're at least thick or lazy".
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  You've pulled these insults out of thin air. I have no animosity towards Windows or Mac users, nor for those that might hypothetically like Linux but understandably have better things to do with their time than learn the ins and outs of it.
  - aussiesnack 4y ago
    Apologies if that seemed directed at you personally, which wasn't my intent. Attribute it to HN trigger-finger. It is a general and widespread phenomenon though that anyone who has been less than positive towards Linux on HN or anywhere will recognise. I don't think it reflects animosity towards users of mainstream OS's so much as defensiveness, particularly from strongly self-identified Linux advocates. Which is all a bit daft, because it's (a) perfectly obvious that Linux has plenty of problems (how could something as vast as an OS not?), and (b) that doesn't make it any less the clear choice for some classes of user (like myself).
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      Sure, as I say in my first comment, there is a lot of software for linux that just isn't very good, and there is a lot of bad advice and bad defaults floating around. Separating the wheat from the chaff is a daunting task to any new user, and I think most will fail and feel dejected unless they have a strong personal motive to stick with it and learn through experience. It's definitely not for everybody and I don't expect it ever will be. But if somebody does stick with it and gain that experience, it's often possible for them to find a combination of software and settings that earnestly work well for them personally. It's not as though linux users are all masochists, the reason I continue using Linux is because for me, it's lower stress and hassle than anything else. I learned to use it when I was younger and thought that tinkering with such software was fun. That allure wore off years ago and my present self wouldn't have the patience to learn it all over again, but Linux remains the best choice for me given the experience I already have with it.
      - aussiesnack 4y ago
        I use Linux (Fedora in my case) as my primary (actually sole non-mobile right now) OS, with software dev as my focus. Its the best for my purpose, though I've used both MacOS and Windows extensively so I have a reasonable awareness of the relative tradeoffs. I do find the Linux community often insufferable though. Also often extremely helpful however. I guess communities also have their tradeoffs.
  - delta_p_delta_x 4y ago
    > those that might hypothetically like Linux but understandably have better things to do with their time than learn the ins and outs of it. This is me. I have one SSD each dedicated to Windows and Linux, and I use Linux fairly regularly. However, I still use Windows for most of my work, because Linux's multi-monitor, Wayland, and HiDPI support is still questionable. I used to love to tinker, but now I just want to get my work done.

mmcgaha 4y ago

At this point in my life I have almost lost all faith in people sharing an honest assessment of anything. The Linux is hard trope is really starting to bore me. I get it things may be different on Linux/Mac/Windows but most UI things are pretty easy to accomplish everywhere. Should I complain that windows is hard because find-xargs-grep isn’t available in the default install even though it is pretty easy to install the software?