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Sleep states are faulty on the Linux laptop I'm currently on, and I do occasionally waste time on interoperability with various commercial software, although co

by nverno 4y ago

Sleep states are faulty on the Linux laptop I'm currently on, and I do occasionally waste time on interoperability with various commercial software, although countless hours seems excessive. But when it comes to running dev software or getting up and running with a new project, or compiling some github source, I think I save much more time than I've lost.

jorvi 4y ago
What frustrates me is that other Linux users will tell you with a straight face that you must be flat-out lying if you bring up sleep problems. Had three users tell me that on HN just about a day ago.
- formerly_proven 4y ago
  It's really very hardware-dependent. You can have five machines and sleep and PM works just fine, but if you get unlucky you also can have five machines and three don't go to sleep and two have poor battery life. Sometimes this affects even devices marketed for Linux, like the framework.
  - jraph 4y ago
    > Sometimes this affects even devices marketed for Linux, like the framework I was interested in the framework laptop at some point but it increasingly looked like a Windows-first laptop on which the company is happy about you installing Linux on it. There are laptops marked 10/10 on iFixit on which Linux works perfectly, I'll pick them until this changes.
- nverno 4y ago
  Yea, but this is something unique to Linux, since everyone runs a different distro on different, never 100%-supported, hardware. So, they likely have never run into sleep problems- my desktop linux box doesn't have any at the moment. Sometimes these difficulties have a silver lining, though, after they force you to learn more about the systems you're using. I thinks it's less of a trial-by-fire than it was even four or five years ago when I switched completely to linux, and only getting easier.
  - jraph 4y ago
    It indeed depends on the hardware. I had computers with capricious suspend in the past. The last ones worked fine, except one which sometimes hung on wake up and sometimes had graphical glitches and random hangs, but all this went away when I removed the faulty RAM stick it had…
  - jorvi 4y ago
    I’m sort-of fine with the issues. I’m not fine with the increasingly hostile attitude you meet from most of the Linux world if you in the public eye dare ding their precious baby.
    - jraph 4y ago
      How dare you, though?
    - nverno 4y ago
      Well it's kinda understandable, although lamentable, since open-source development requires high morale/passion if there's no monetary incentives. If someone fixes your car for free, but afterward you complain about them scuffing the upholstery, they probably lose motivation. I know it's not the same thing, but I think it comes from the same place. There's also the safety-in-numbers aspect, similar to editor wars, where people adopt the attitude that the more people that use their thing, the better it will be, so they are waging a propaganda campaign for their cause.
- aussiesnack 4y ago
  True and annoying. Writing as a f/t Linux user (Fedora Workstation on a laptop), and I appreciate where it shines enough to choose its particular set of tradeoffs for myself. But there's no doubt Linux users can be annoyingly obdurate about its deficiencies. Similar things crop up in tech circles all the time - eg. Rust programmers informing people having trouble learning Rust that there's nothing hard about it.
- pedro2 4y ago
  You must be lying! Are you implying S0x works badly and wakes too many times, pcie_aspm requires to be set to force to have decent results and enabling S3 is hidden somewhere in the BIOS assuming it's there at all? You must be lying, I never heard of such stories! NOTE: My computer came without OS. Assuming HP Dev One or System 76 behave better in this regard. But I'm a sucker for 2-in-1.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Linux doesn't have power nap. That being said, I can leave my Thinkpad in my bag for a few days without worrying about losing any of the work on it. It won't win awards for standby durability, but that may just be a lost cause for x86.
    - pedro2 4y ago
      Powernap? You mean S0idle? If it is advertised it is used -- tested on Thinkpad Yoga L15 Gen...3? .
- woojoo666 4y ago
  I think it's because it's an apples to oranges comparison. I'm guessing you installed Linux yourself on your PCs, instead of it coming pre-installed. Whereas for Mac OS, you can only get it on devices pre-installed, so naturally all hardware functions like sleep will work perfectly. I'm guessing if you buy a laptop from those distributors with Linux pre-installed, you will also get great hardware support

by nverno 4y ago

jorvi 4y ago

What frustrates me is that other Linux users will tell you with a straight face that you must be flat-out lying if you bring up sleep problems. Had three users tell me that on HN just about a day ago.

formerly_proven 4y ago
It's really very hardware-dependent. You can have five machines and sleep and PM works just fine, but if you get unlucky you also can have five machines and three don't go to sleep and two have poor battery life. Sometimes this affects even devices marketed for Linux, like the framework.
- jraph 4y ago
  > Sometimes this affects even devices marketed for Linux, like the framework I was interested in the framework laptop at some point but it increasingly looked like a Windows-first laptop on which the company is happy about you installing Linux on it. There are laptops marked 10/10 on iFixit on which Linux works perfectly, I'll pick them until this changes.
nverno 4y ago
Yea, but this is something unique to Linux, since everyone runs a different distro on different, never 100%-supported, hardware. So, they likely have never run into sleep problems- my desktop linux box doesn't have any at the moment. Sometimes these difficulties have a silver lining, though, after they force you to learn more about the systems you're using. I thinks it's less of a trial-by-fire than it was even four or five years ago when I switched completely to linux, and only getting easier.
- jraph 4y ago
  It indeed depends on the hardware. I had computers with capricious suspend in the past. The last ones worked fine, except one which sometimes hung on wake up and sometimes had graphical glitches and random hangs, but all this went away when I removed the faulty RAM stick it had…
- jorvi 4y ago
  I’m sort-of fine with the issues. I’m not fine with the increasingly hostile attitude you meet from most of the Linux world if you in the public eye dare ding their precious baby.
  - jraph 4y ago
    How dare you, though?
  - nverno 4y ago
    Well it's kinda understandable, although lamentable, since open-source development requires high morale/passion if there's no monetary incentives. If someone fixes your car for free, but afterward you complain about them scuffing the upholstery, they probably lose motivation. I know it's not the same thing, but I think it comes from the same place. There's also the safety-in-numbers aspect, similar to editor wars, where people adopt the attitude that the more people that use their thing, the better it will be, so they are waging a propaganda campaign for their cause.
aussiesnack 4y ago
True and annoying. Writing as a f/t Linux user (Fedora Workstation on a laptop), and I appreciate where it shines enough to choose its particular set of tradeoffs for myself. But there's no doubt Linux users can be annoyingly obdurate about its deficiencies. Similar things crop up in tech circles all the time - eg. Rust programmers informing people having trouble learning Rust that there's nothing hard about it.
pedro2 4y ago
You must be lying! Are you implying S0x works badly and wakes too many times, pcie_aspm requires to be set to force to have decent results and enabling S3 is hidden somewhere in the BIOS assuming it's there at all? You must be lying, I never heard of such stories! NOTE: My computer came without OS. Assuming HP Dev One or System 76 behave better in this regard. But I'm a sucker for 2-in-1.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Linux doesn't have power nap. That being said, I can leave my Thinkpad in my bag for a few days without worrying about losing any of the work on it. It won't win awards for standby durability, but that may just be a lost cause for x86.
  - pedro2 4y ago
    Powernap? You mean S0idle? If it is advertised it is used -- tested on Thinkpad Yoga L15 Gen...3? .
woojoo666 4y ago
I think it's because it's an apples to oranges comparison. I'm guessing you installed Linux yourself on your PCs, instead of it coming pre-installed. Whereas for Mac OS, you can only get it on devices pre-installed, so naturally all hardware functions like sleep will work perfectly. I'm guessing if you buy a laptop from those distributors with Linux pre-installed, you will also get great hardware support