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Joseph Don Rosenbaum, was imprisoned and made to register as a sex offender involved the molestation and rape of five separate boys. Yes, I'm skeptical that he

Joseph Don Rosenbaum, was imprisoned and made to register as a sex offender involved the molestation and rape of five separate boys. Yes, I'm skeptical that he was there because he was a civil rights advocate.

lovich 4y ago
And he needn’t be to have been protesting against government power. Him being there for entirely self serving reasons is a much simpler explanation than that he was an fbi plant who was willing to put his life on the line for some sort of social manipulation as you have claimed. You started with a view and appear to have worked your way backwards to justify it.
- dukeofdoom 4y ago
  Why would would anyone ride a bicycle when the simpler unicycle exists. Is that the crux of your argument?
  - lovich 4y ago
    A:have you never heard of Occam’s razor? B:do you really think that someone with a criminal history would never go to a protest? Are they simply 1 dimensional characters in a play who cant go to a protest or agree with its cause because they are “bad” people? They couldn’t go because even if they didn’t agree, it hurt the government they disliked? They couldn’t have gone because they had friends going and it was a thing to do? They couldn’t just like general mayhem? I do not understand how you think a government conspiracy is the simplest explanation here, especially when the guy went after someone with a gun while armed with a skateboard. That’s the behavior of someone motivated, not someone doing their day job of undercover agent or having been forced to do undercover work by the government in exchange for leniency. I’ll actually turn this back on you, how exactly do you believe either of the two people killed by rittenhouse were part of a government conspiracy. How we’re they recruited and what was the goal?
    - dukeofdoom 4y ago
      > do you really think that someone with a criminal history would never go to a protest? 1. Just because some criminals attend protests, doesn't mean that is it typical. All 3 people that Kyle shot had criminal backgrounds. What are the odds of this happening in a random sample of all protests? Clearly this wasn't your average protest. White criminals protesting for black people's civil rights? 2. It is important to note that everyone has the right to peacefully assemble and express their views, regardless of their criminal history. However this was not a peaceful protest, as property was being actively destroyed. 3. Criminal justice system forces plea bargains in return for cooperation. Even innocent people will plea bargain under duress. Threats of lengthy prison sentences or harsh treatment, or a parole officer revoking parole is how the system extorts cooperation. Becoming an informant is the only leverage someone like Joseph Rosenbaum may have had. 4. Let's assume you're right. They were there for civil rights protest. But that seems like a conflict in your own thinking. Since the core issue was governments abuse of civil rights. Which would be a giant conspiracy. Which you seem to wave away as being a possibility. I gave specific examples where other government's intelligence agencies in the past were known to do send in agent provocateurs. Why do you think America is exceptional?
      - lovich 4y ago
        What does point number 2 even mean in terms of your argument, it’s just tossed in there like it’s relevant. And your point 4 makes zero sense? How is protesting the governments abuse of civil rights a conspiracy? For point 1, people willing to go out and do action are more likely to be criminals than someone who stay home. On top of that this is just large numbers making rare circumstances occur. You’d likely point to the birthday problem[1] as a shadowy conspiracy if this is enough to make you think of government involvement. For point 3 you’re making the claim that he could have been an informant stretch to imply that he was. You have failed to outline how they would have been recruited or for what purpose. Show some evidence instead of making vague implications. Actually fuck, I’m even letting you get too much leeway there. Informants do not actively go out in public and start physical fights with people holding a gun. Even if he happened to have been an informant that would not imply the government put him up to attacking rittenhouse. You’ve gotten too conspiracy brained if you look at rittenhouse event and conclude the government must have set it up. What would they have even gained?

lovich 4y ago

And he needn’t be to have been protesting against government power. Him being there for entirely self serving reasons is a much simpler explanation than that he was an fbi plant who was willing to put his life on the line for some sort of social manipulation as you have claimed. You started with a view and appear to have worked your way backwards to justify it.

dukeofdoom 4y ago
Why would would anyone ride a bicycle when the simpler unicycle exists. Is that the crux of your argument?
- lovich 4y ago
  A:have you never heard of Occam’s razor? B:do you really think that someone with a criminal history would never go to a protest? Are they simply 1 dimensional characters in a play who cant go to a protest or agree with its cause because they are “bad” people? They couldn’t go because even if they didn’t agree, it hurt the government they disliked? They couldn’t have gone because they had friends going and it was a thing to do? They couldn’t just like general mayhem? I do not understand how you think a government conspiracy is the simplest explanation here, especially when the guy went after someone with a gun while armed with a skateboard. That’s the behavior of someone motivated, not someone doing their day job of undercover agent or having been forced to do undercover work by the government in exchange for leniency. I’ll actually turn this back on you, how exactly do you believe either of the two people killed by rittenhouse were part of a government conspiracy. How we’re they recruited and what was the goal?
  - dukeofdoom 4y ago
    > do you really think that someone with a criminal history would never go to a protest? 1. Just because some criminals attend protests, doesn't mean that is it typical. All 3 people that Kyle shot had criminal backgrounds. What are the odds of this happening in a random sample of all protests? Clearly this wasn't your average protest. White criminals protesting for black people's civil rights? 2. It is important to note that everyone has the right to peacefully assemble and express their views, regardless of their criminal history. However this was not a peaceful protest, as property was being actively destroyed. 3. Criminal justice system forces plea bargains in return for cooperation. Even innocent people will plea bargain under duress. Threats of lengthy prison sentences or harsh treatment, or a parole officer revoking parole is how the system extorts cooperation. Becoming an informant is the only leverage someone like Joseph Rosenbaum may have had. 4. Let's assume you're right. They were there for civil rights protest. But that seems like a conflict in your own thinking. Since the core issue was governments abuse of civil rights. Which would be a giant conspiracy. Which you seem to wave away as being a possibility. I gave specific examples where other government's intelligence agencies in the past were known to do send in agent provocateurs. Why do you think America is exceptional?
    - lovich 4y ago
      What does point number 2 even mean in terms of your argument, it’s just tossed in there like it’s relevant. And your point 4 makes zero sense? How is protesting the governments abuse of civil rights a conspiracy? For point 1, people willing to go out and do action are more likely to be criminals than someone who stay home. On top of that this is just large numbers making rare circumstances occur. You’d likely point to the birthday problem[1] as a shadowy conspiracy if this is enough to make you think of government involvement. For point 3 you’re making the claim that he could have been an informant stretch to imply that he was. You have failed to outline how they would have been recruited or for what purpose. Show some evidence instead of making vague implications. Actually fuck, I’m even letting you get too much leeway there. Informants do not actively go out in public and start physical fights with people holding a gun. Even if he happened to have been an informant that would not imply the government put him up to attacking rittenhouse. You’ve gotten too conspiracy brained if you look at rittenhouse event and conclude the government must have set it up. What would they have even gained?