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I mean we allowed the alphabet agencies to cooperate with social media companies to fight "ISIS propaganda." -- what did you think would happen? Scorpion, frog

I mean we allowed the alphabet agencies to cooperate with social media companies to fight "ISIS propaganda." -- what did you think would happen? Scorpion, frog, etc. If we had stood up to them in 2013, drew a line in the sand and said "No, a bunch of poorly edited snuff films aren't going to cause a bunch of American teens to join an Islamic revolution" these relationships wouldn't exist. By the way, we are currently trying to ban TikTok because of similar concerns about it rotting teens brains. Before we start frothing at the mouth in rage at some problematic app let's do a thought experiment and consider the future blowback from taking such extreme action.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
> these relationships wouldn't exist. The government has been involved with the data broker industry since well before the dotcom era. That is the underpinning of all current day surveillance capitalism. It's an intelligence resource they will never overlook.
ummonk 4y ago
It is simply a fact that ISIS did successfully radicalize and recruit western teenagers via the internet. What if anything the government should do to prevent such recruitment is a matter of debate, but you shouldn't pretend such recruitment didn't happen.
- spamizbad 4y ago
  > It is simply a fact that ISIS did successfully radicalize and recruit western teenagers via the internet. At no meaningful scale. If some dumbass wants to throw their life away in a foreign country we obviously should use all legal means to discourage that but part of being a liberal democracy means you do in fact have to give people enough freedom (rope) to hang themselves.
  - thrashh 4y ago
    Just like how a bunch of random people paid for flight school classes with cash… oh wait, that ended in 9/11 No one knows what is gonna be credible, but damned if you do and damned if you don’t
    - dbfx 4y ago
      And what did they do about it once they got this information? Yeah that's what I thought.
      - thrashh 4y ago
        You think there’s only one suspicious thing going on at any given moment? There’s probably hundreds of new things at this very second and probably none of them are going to result in anything, but no one knows that for sure
fallingknife 4y ago
No one is talking about banning TikTok because it's rotting anyone's brain. They are talking about it because it gives the CCP direct access to data on millions of US citizens.
hellfish 4y ago
> I mean we allowed the alphabet agencies to cooperate with social media companies to fight "ISIS propaganda." -- what did you think would happen? I remember thinking earlier, it's kind of odd that teenagers "running off to join ISIS" was a widespread problem. In hindsight the shills probably blew that whole thing out of proportion to justify more agency scope creep

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago

> these relationships wouldn't exist. The government has been involved with the data broker industry since well before the dotcom era. That is the underpinning of all current day surveillance capitalism. It's an intelligence resource they will never overlook.

ummonk 4y ago

It is simply a fact that ISIS did successfully radicalize and recruit western teenagers via the internet. What if anything the government should do to prevent such recruitment is a matter of debate, but you shouldn't pretend such recruitment didn't happen.

spamizbad 4y ago
> It is simply a fact that ISIS did successfully radicalize and recruit western teenagers via the internet. At no meaningful scale. If some dumbass wants to throw their life away in a foreign country we obviously should use all legal means to discourage that but part of being a liberal democracy means you do in fact have to give people enough freedom (rope) to hang themselves.
- thrashh 4y ago
  Just like how a bunch of random people paid for flight school classes with cash… oh wait, that ended in 9/11 No one knows what is gonna be credible, but damned if you do and damned if you don’t
  - dbfx 4y ago
    And what did they do about it once they got this information? Yeah that's what I thought.
    - thrashh 4y ago
      You think there’s only one suspicious thing going on at any given moment? There’s probably hundreds of new things at this very second and probably none of them are going to result in anything, but no one knows that for sure

fallingknife 4y ago

No one is talking about banning TikTok because it's rotting anyone's brain. They are talking about it because it gives the CCP direct access to data on millions of US citizens.

hellfish 4y ago

> I mean we allowed the alphabet agencies to cooperate with social media companies to fight "ISIS propaganda." -- what did you think would happen? I remember thinking earlier, it's kind of odd that teenagers "running off to join ISIS" was a widespread problem. In hindsight the shills probably blew that whole thing out of proportion to justify more agency scope creep