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Yep. It sounds silly but I learn more and more to just make things as frictionless as possible. Someone explained how to sign up and the first instance I foun

by robswc 4y ago

Yep. It sounds silly but I learn more and more to just make things as frictionless as possible. Someone explained how to sign up and the first instance I found said it was shutting down soon and to migrate off. A few others I tried said they weren’t accepting new users and eventually I gave up. The funny thing is I swear I figured it out a few years back and don’t remember it being like that but maybe I just had more patience. Is there a reason you can’t just create your own identity, without an instance?

nequo 4y ago
> Is there a reason you can’t just create your own identity, without an instance? It looks like Mastodon has aimed for total decentralization like email, rather than the kind of decentralization that IRC does that still keeps identities centrally managed with nick servers (e.g., how irc.libera.chat works). Presumably, managing identity verification would be much cheaper than managing the content, so Mastodon or something like it should be able to scalably do it centrally, while still federating separate instances for the content.
- robswc 4y ago
  I feel like if they did that, the service would be 100x more viable… but would lose its claim to total decentralization. Idk, good luck to anyone that does a social media site cause that seems like a hard problem to solve.
  - unshavedyak 4y ago
    I like Mastodon, i use it daily. BUT, i kinda feel it loses that claim already. I am disincentivized to run my own instance, aka "distribute". It pushes for centralization. On multiple fronts. Why? Well for starters the protocol as i'm aware of does not efficiently federate to smaller instances compared to bigger instances. I also fear that instances will eventually be plagued by spam / attacks from foreign small instances and will be pushed towards whitelisting federation rather than blacklisting. As the general philosophy of federation seems to match that of Email. Email.. tbh, feels like a failed technology. Yes i know, i love email and we all use it.. but it's incredibly centralized and insanely vulnerable to massive amounts of spam. The protocol almost pushes people to centralize to deal with problems that the Email protocol doesn't manage - spam. I fear Mastodon will eventually follow the same path. I use it, but i have to ignore the protocol and my desire to decentralize.. because otherwise i just get frustrated.
    - robswc 4y ago
      That makes sense. I was looking for an instance and they listed their server specs. They were very small servers. Would they be susceptible to simple DDOS?
- trynewideas 4y ago
  It's possible, but not through Mastodon, and nobody working on anything fedi-related put much time into simplifying that for any end-users, much less non-technical end users.
Geezus-42 4y ago
Why not just use the default instance? I believe it's already filled in (or at least mentioned on the page where you enter one) if you go to their website and follow their links.
- robswc 4y ago
  I just tried and got a message that "this is currently not possible" It took me here: https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers Where it seems the majority of servers are overtly political and require an "application." I do see a few where I can create an account and look generic enough to where my entire identity/first impression isn't too niche. I may give that a try.

by robswc 4y ago

nequo 4y ago

> Is there a reason you can’t just create your own identity, without an instance? It looks like Mastodon has aimed for total decentralization like email, rather than the kind of decentralization that IRC does that still keeps identities centrally managed with nick servers (e.g., how irc.libera.chat works). Presumably, managing identity verification would be much cheaper than managing the content, so Mastodon or something like it should be able to scalably do it centrally, while still federating separate instances for the content.

robswc 4y ago
I feel like if they did that, the service would be 100x more viable… but would lose its claim to total decentralization. Idk, good luck to anyone that does a social media site cause that seems like a hard problem to solve.
- unshavedyak 4y ago
  I like Mastodon, i use it daily. BUT, i kinda feel it loses that claim already. I am disincentivized to run my own instance, aka "distribute". It pushes for centralization. On multiple fronts. Why? Well for starters the protocol as i'm aware of does not efficiently federate to smaller instances compared to bigger instances. I also fear that instances will eventually be plagued by spam / attacks from foreign small instances and will be pushed towards whitelisting federation rather than blacklisting. As the general philosophy of federation seems to match that of Email. Email.. tbh, feels like a failed technology. Yes i know, i love email and we all use it.. but it's incredibly centralized and insanely vulnerable to massive amounts of spam. The protocol almost pushes people to centralize to deal with problems that the Email protocol doesn't manage - spam. I fear Mastodon will eventually follow the same path. I use it, but i have to ignore the protocol and my desire to decentralize.. because otherwise i just get frustrated.
  - robswc 4y ago
    That makes sense. I was looking for an instance and they listed their server specs. They were very small servers. Would they be susceptible to simple DDOS?
trynewideas 4y ago
It's possible, but not through Mastodon, and nobody working on anything fedi-related put much time into simplifying that for any end-users, much less non-technical end users.

Geezus-42 4y ago

Why not just use the default instance? I believe it's already filled in (or at least mentioned on the page where you enter one) if you go to their website and follow their links.

robswc 4y ago
I just tried and got a message that "this is currently not possible" It took me here: https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers Where it seems the majority of servers are overtly political and require an "application." I do see a few where I can create an account and look generic enough to where my entire identity/first impression isn't too niche. I may give that a try.