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Some people are physically incapable of focusing on things that bore them. Not because they don't want to, but because they can't. What for them?

by LocalH 4y ago

rnd0 4y ago
Ritalin? Therapy?
- Kye 4y ago
  Any inquiry in the genre of "Why not try [obvious thing]?" is generally going to lead nowhere. You don't know what you don't know, and it can be exhausting to explain to the nth person asking too-obvious questions that their obvious question is missing experiential data or any effort at research, and then filling in those gaps. Medication and therapy are expensive. It doesn't always work. If it works, it might not work well. If it works at all, there are often side effects. Getting into therapy is hard. Finding a therapist you click with once you get through all the hoops is even harder. Sticking with each step of the process when you have a disorder that makes sticking to things hard is hilarious once you think about it. And so on.
  - wincy 4y ago
    I dunno, I’m 36 and Adderall is the difference between “low performance dev about to get put on PIP because he doesn’t do his work” and “software engineering team lead being congratulated by higher ups on your teams performance”. Which is literally the last few years of my life’s ups and downs. People hearing the same thing over and over can be annoying to some, but for others it’s the only thing that’ll really get through a lot of our skulls and get us to try something different.
    - Kye 4y ago
      Okay. The experiences (mine and others shared with me) that informed my post are still real.
      - pksebben 4y ago
        however, it might be that someone who would actually benefit from such remediations hasn't thought of it seriously or recently (very, very common with ADHD). Stories about such things working could be useful to these folks and aren't necessarily meant to undermine the difficulties you mention.
        Kye 4y ago
        There are some newer medications that show promise for people who've had little/no effect or bad side effects from the usual stuff, or who had trouble accessing Adderall. Suggesting that could help. Yet another "Ritalin? Therapy?" floating in the void will not.
        machinawhite 4y ago
        Will the person who downvoted explain? Ritalin must be the worst stimulant I have ever taken, worse than caffeine, and amphetamines work ok but that's just speed and has bad side effects. Doctors here are not aware of other medications and so I just smoke weed by the truckload :-)
        erinaceousjones 4y ago
        Ritalin is one form of methylphenidate - a short-active version. Formulations with longer dose/release profiles exist - Concerta XR and Elvanse/Vyvanse are the same active stimulant (methylphenidate), but spread over the course of ~12 hours. Personally I've found that Concerta has a ramping up and ramping down, with peak effects kicking in around 4 hours, whereas Elvanse kicked in relatively quickly at the same constant level. Having to take ritalin (and adderall) multiple times a day with the risk of crashing in between sounds like a nightmare, and I'm glad at least here in the UK one of the first thing psychiatrists suggest trying is low dosages of the longer-acting methylphenidate derivatives. It takes a lot of messing around with different meds and formulations to find one that works for you. It's like incredibly individual/personal; people seem to have wildly different responses to the different families of stimulants, different dosages, different delivery methods, different times of day etc etc. Takes a lot of educated effort. It really sucks how it's so damn variable between countries or even within countries - national policies on ADHD meds and amount of knowledge your average doctor has in each country on those meds. Wildly and unhelpfully variable.
- machinawhite 4y ago
  Imagine people telling you that you're fucked in the head and putting you on speed because you don't like listening to incompetent cretins in a prison like environment
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- LocalH 4y ago
  Really, Ritalin? The substances that I feel have the most promise unfortunately have an uphill battle in terms of acceptance. Quite hard to find material about how psychedelics relate to ADHD.
rurban 4y ago
Not engineering then, simple as that

Some people are physically incapable of focusing on things that bore them. Not because they don't want to, but because they can't. What for them?

by LocalH 4y ago

Some people are physically incapable of focusing on things that bore them. Not because they don't want to, but because they can't. What for them?

rnd0 4y ago

Ritalin? Therapy?

Kye 4y ago
Any inquiry in the genre of "Why not try [obvious thing]?" is generally going to lead nowhere. You don't know what you don't know, and it can be exhausting to explain to the nth person asking too-obvious questions that their obvious question is missing experiential data or any effort at research, and then filling in those gaps. Medication and therapy are expensive. It doesn't always work. If it works, it might not work well. If it works at all, there are often side effects. Getting into therapy is hard. Finding a therapist you click with once you get through all the hoops is even harder. Sticking with each step of the process when you have a disorder that makes sticking to things hard is hilarious once you think about it. And so on.
- wincy 4y ago
  I dunno, I’m 36 and Adderall is the difference between “low performance dev about to get put on PIP because he doesn’t do his work” and “software engineering team lead being congratulated by higher ups on your teams performance”. Which is literally the last few years of my life’s ups and downs. People hearing the same thing over and over can be annoying to some, but for others it’s the only thing that’ll really get through a lot of our skulls and get us to try something different.
  - Kye 4y ago
    Okay. The experiences (mine and others shared with me) that informed my post are still real.
    - pksebben 4y ago
      however, it might be that someone who would actually benefit from such remediations hasn't thought of it seriously or recently (very, very common with ADHD). Stories about such things working could be useful to these folks and aren't necessarily meant to undermine the difficulties you mention.
      - Kye 4y ago
        There are some newer medications that show promise for people who've had little/no effect or bad side effects from the usual stuff, or who had trouble accessing Adderall. Suggesting that could help. Yet another "Ritalin? Therapy?" floating in the void will not.
        machinawhite 4y ago
        Will the person who downvoted explain? Ritalin must be the worst stimulant I have ever taken, worse than caffeine, and amphetamines work ok but that's just speed and has bad side effects. Doctors here are not aware of other medications and so I just smoke weed by the truckload :-)
        erinaceousjones 4y ago
        Ritalin is one form of methylphenidate - a short-active version. Formulations with longer dose/release profiles exist - Concerta XR and Elvanse/Vyvanse are the same active stimulant (methylphenidate), but spread over the course of ~12 hours. Personally I've found that Concerta has a ramping up and ramping down, with peak effects kicking in around 4 hours, whereas Elvanse kicked in relatively quickly at the same constant level. Having to take ritalin (and adderall) multiple times a day with the risk of crashing in between sounds like a nightmare, and I'm glad at least here in the UK one of the first thing psychiatrists suggest trying is low dosages of the longer-acting methylphenidate derivatives. It takes a lot of messing around with different meds and formulations to find one that works for you. It's like incredibly individual/personal; people seem to have wildly different responses to the different families of stimulants, different dosages, different delivery methods, different times of day etc etc. Takes a lot of educated effort. It really sucks how it's so damn variable between countries or even within countries - national policies on ADHD meds and amount of knowledge your average doctor has in each country on those meds. Wildly and unhelpfully variable.
machinawhite 4y ago
Imagine people telling you that you're fucked in the head and putting you on speed because you don't like listening to incompetent cretins in a prison like environment
- deleted 4y ago
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LocalH 4y ago
Really, Ritalin? The substances that I feel have the most promise unfortunately have an uphill battle in terms of acceptance. Quite hard to find material about how psychedelics relate to ADHD.

rurban 4y ago

Not engineering then, simple as that