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Uhh, X11 applications work in a Wayland environment. It's no different than how X11 applications work on Quartz, DWM, or any other non-X11 environment. So it's

Uhh, X11 applications work in a Wayland environment. It's no different than how X11 applications work on Quartz, DWM, or any other non-X11 environment. So it's not like these things are going to break anytime soon...

krylon 4y ago
It's about conserving the source code of applications that used to be scattered across the pre-github Internet. I was a bit confused at first. ;-)
bitwize 4y ago
1) dwm is an X window manager. 2) X apps work on Wayland, Quartz, etc. because there are X servers foe those environments, Xwayland is currently the only maintained X server; it too will eventually go away (especially when the toolkit maintainers drop X support altogether).
- Conan_Kudo 4y ago
  I don't think anyone expects Xwayland or XQuartz to go away anytime soon. The only way that would happen is if someone pulled a Haiku and reimplemented xlib and other APIs on top of a Wayland-enabled toolkit.
- netdoll 4y ago
  DWM (all caps) is also the name of the Windows display server post-XP.
- asveikau 4y ago
  > Xwayland is currently the only maintained X server; Just googling to check that claim. As a random example: xorg-server in Arch was last updated on 12/19/22. Six days ago. Wayland proponents are so aggressive like this. You want to deny that anyone is still interested in X. Maybe it won't have dramatic changes. But people will be patching it for years.
  - Conan_Kudo 4y ago
    Xwayland is built out of the same tree as the main Xorg server. Same for XQuartz. But the infrastructure for the X server running as the graphics host is rotting and not getting much love.
- tux 4y ago
  Because not everyone can afford and/or use latest and greatest hardware, Xserver and X software in general will never go away. Even when Wayland is mainstream. There will always be a need for older software. This is my prediction for the future. Just wait and see ^_^
yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
Sometimes yes, sometimes no; how well does xeyes work under Wayland?
- doubled112 4y ago
  Works perfectly well inside the Xwayland session. Less so outside of the Xwayland session.
  - messe 4y ago
    I like using it as a quick diagnostic to figure out if a given window is running natively or under Xwayland. If the eyes follow your mouse when you hover over the window, it’s still using Xwayland, if they don’t move, it’s a native Wayland application.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    Which is to say it doesn't work. Not as an accessibility tool anyway. When something which is meant to work all the time only works some of the time, it's broken.

krylon 4y ago

It's about conserving the source code of applications that used to be scattered across the pre-github Internet. I was a bit confused at first. ;-)

bitwize 4y ago

1) dwm is an X window manager. 2) X apps work on Wayland, Quartz, etc. because there are X servers foe those environments, Xwayland is currently the only maintained X server; it too will eventually go away (especially when the toolkit maintainers drop X support altogether).

Conan_Kudo 4y ago
I don't think anyone expects Xwayland or XQuartz to go away anytime soon. The only way that would happen is if someone pulled a Haiku and reimplemented xlib and other APIs on top of a Wayland-enabled toolkit.
netdoll 4y ago
DWM (all caps) is also the name of the Windows display server post-XP.
asveikau 4y ago
> Xwayland is currently the only maintained X server; Just googling to check that claim. As a random example: xorg-server in Arch was last updated on 12/19/22. Six days ago. Wayland proponents are so aggressive like this. You want to deny that anyone is still interested in X. Maybe it won't have dramatic changes. But people will be patching it for years.
- Conan_Kudo 4y ago
  Xwayland is built out of the same tree as the main Xorg server. Same for XQuartz. But the infrastructure for the X server running as the graphics host is rotting and not getting much love.
tux 4y ago
Because not everyone can afford and/or use latest and greatest hardware, Xserver and X software in general will never go away. Even when Wayland is mainstream. There will always be a need for older software. This is my prediction for the future. Just wait and see ^_^

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

Sometimes yes, sometimes no; how well does xeyes work under Wayland?

doubled112 4y ago
Works perfectly well inside the Xwayland session. Less so outside of the Xwayland session.
- messe 4y ago
  I like using it as a quick diagnostic to figure out if a given window is running natively or under Xwayland. If the eyes follow your mouse when you hover over the window, it’s still using Xwayland, if they don’t move, it’s a native Wayland application.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  Which is to say it doesn't work. Not as an accessibility tool anyway. When something which is meant to work all the time only works some of the time, it's broken.