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I agree it is not likely but their made up reasons have nothing to do with it. The narratives shift weekly and at no point they've been internally consistent.

by varjag 4y ago

hutzlibu 4y ago
Hm, I surely did not follow every speech of Putin or RT news in general, but as far as I did, the narrative that the Ukrainian needs to be liberated as Russians, did not change and has been pretty consistent. What did change, were the various threats towards the west and stated goals of what to achieve and back and forth with mobilisation and such. Putins goal is clear, he wants a Eurasian Empire. But he is apparently not clear on how to achieve it. (For example he would like Belarussia to join russia and join the war, but so far he was not able to enforce it )
- varjag 4y ago
  No, the narrative is anywhere from "we're defending Russia proper from invasion" to "we're going after every Ukrainian and their children" between different (and sometimes the same) TV hosts and public figures.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    Like I said, I am not really a follower of russian TV, I mainly just read various Speeches Putin gave. And there was never anything close of "we're going after every Ukrainian and their children", that I remember. It was variations of "the NATO is coming closer to us everyday and we have to fight back". If you know more and different, pls share.
    - varjag 4y ago
      You must have missed the speech when Putin officially annexed the territory he grabbed thus far. The imperial irredentism has little to do with the NATO narrative. But as I said the consistency in Russian propaganda is never sought after, neither by the propagandists nor the willing recipients. Also, https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-boss-says-drown-ukrainian-children-burn-families-alive-1754116 https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-boss-says-drown-uk...
      - hutzlibu 4y ago
        "You must have missed the speech when Putin officially annexed the territory he grabbed thus far" I am pretty sure I have read it, but I don't remember anything close to what is in that TV show, which is indeed very disturbing, as it is state TV.

I agree it is not likely but their made up reasons have nothing to do with it. The narratives shift weekly and at no point they've been internally consistent.

by varjag 4y ago

I agree it is not likely but their made up reasons have nothing to do with it. The narratives shift weekly and at no point they've been internally consistent.

hutzlibu 4y ago

Hm, I surely did not follow every speech of Putin or RT news in general, but as far as I did, the narrative that the Ukrainian needs to be liberated as Russians, did not change and has been pretty consistent. What did change, were the various threats towards the west and stated goals of what to achieve and back and forth with mobilisation and such. Putins goal is clear, he wants a Eurasian Empire. But he is apparently not clear on how to achieve it. (For example he would like Belarussia to join russia and join the war, but so far he was not able to enforce it )

varjag 4y ago
No, the narrative is anywhere from "we're defending Russia proper from invasion" to "we're going after every Ukrainian and their children" between different (and sometimes the same) TV hosts and public figures.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  Like I said, I am not really a follower of russian TV, I mainly just read various Speeches Putin gave. And there was never anything close of "we're going after every Ukrainian and their children", that I remember. It was variations of "the NATO is coming closer to us everyday and we have to fight back". If you know more and different, pls share.
  - varjag 4y ago
    You must have missed the speech when Putin officially annexed the territory he grabbed thus far. The imperial irredentism has little to do with the NATO narrative. But as I said the consistency in Russian propaganda is never sought after, neither by the propagandists nor the willing recipients. Also, https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-boss-says-drown-ukrainian-children-burn-families-alive-1754116 https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-boss-says-drown-uk...
    - hutzlibu 4y ago
      "You must have missed the speech when Putin officially annexed the territory he grabbed thus far" I am pretty sure I have read it, but I don't remember anything close to what is in that TV show, which is indeed very disturbing, as it is state TV.