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Fix the cities first. Fix the crime, and the pollution, and the noise. Give people a way to live without constantly hearing their neighbors through the walls.

Fix the cities first. Fix the crime, and the pollution, and the noise. Give people a way to live without constantly hearing their neighbors through the walls. Give people transit options where they don't need to fear for their physical safety. Give people a place to raise children without worrying about them picking up used needles on the street. Give people space to be something other than interchangeable sardines in boxes in high-rise apartment buildings -- what about people who want to do woodworking, or welding, or work on cars, or hunt? City live is only one of the valid lifestyles available to humans, and arguably it is the most unnatural, the most harmful, and the least tolerable. Change that before you call for the death of the lifestyles that other people enjoy. Otherwise, don't be surprised if "death to cities" is the response you get.

pastacacioepepe 4y ago
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- twblalock 4y ago
  If that was true, the transit situation in SF and NYC would not be as bad as it is — and the crime in NYC in particular has been increasing noticeably, despite that city being one of the wealthiest in the world. And yes, in NYC people of all social classes take the subway. You also betray your true intentions with words like “force”. You want to force an urban transit-based lifestyle on everyone. You don’t want people to have a choice. It’s like you want to prove all the suburban NIMBYS right in their suspicions that new housing is an intentional attempt to destroy suburbs…
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    > And yes, in NYC people of all social classes take the subway. In several european countries they do the same happens but public transport Is great. This Is more of a US problem than anything else. > You also betray your true intentions with words like “force” I dont betray anything, im openly for it. We are forced to do things all the time, that's literally what any state does.

pastacacioepepe 4y ago

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twblalock 4y ago
If that was true, the transit situation in SF and NYC would not be as bad as it is — and the crime in NYC in particular has been increasing noticeably, despite that city being one of the wealthiest in the world. And yes, in NYC people of all social classes take the subway. You also betray your true intentions with words like “force”. You want to force an urban transit-based lifestyle on everyone. You don’t want people to have a choice. It’s like you want to prove all the suburban NIMBYS right in their suspicions that new housing is an intentional attempt to destroy suburbs…
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  > And yes, in NYC people of all social classes take the subway. In several european countries they do the same happens but public transport Is great. This Is more of a US problem than anything else. > You also betray your true intentions with words like “force” I dont betray anything, im openly for it. We are forced to do things all the time, that's literally what any state does.