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Humanism fills that need. It doesn’t matter that it’s new, Islam and Christianity were new once, and corrupted since.

AussieWog93 4y ago
There's an argument to me made that the age/popularity of a belief system does correlate with validity, given that their individual memes are subject to Darwinism. Of course it's not everything, but I don't think humanism on its own would work without an older religion as its "bootstrap".
- rablackburn 4y ago
  I wouldn’t say it necessarily correlates with validity - Darwinism is about one thing: fitness of survival. I feel like if you squint a little you can see all the positive-memetic adaptations that get bolted on to organised religion. A commandment to “worship no other god but me” is a classic example of something that seems less like profound revelation and more like an effective memetic adaptation.
- tobylane 4y ago
  I don't consider myself a humanist, but I accept that my views are similar to them. I think humanism only exists because the way Christianity has been promoted recently forced the alternative to have a graspable answer rather than "I'm a good person for my own preference". UsefulChart's video on humanism may help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWhz3SXPWkg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWhz3SXPWkg
- stormking 4y ago
  > There's an argument to me made that the age/popularity of a belief system does correlate with validity, given that their individual memes are subject to Darwinism. Absolutely not, because the fitness, in an evolutionary sense, of those memes does not correlate with their truthfulness but with how easy they are to believe because they appeal to our fears, hopes and dreams. Take that "life after death" trope. The hard truth is that there isn't any, when you die, everything that made up "you" will be gone for good. But no religion based on that truth would ever thrive because the thought is just too scary and bleak.
fsflover 4y ago
Why should one choose humanism instead of personal prosperity (egoism)? Religions have an answer. Humanism AFAIK doesn't.
- lgas 4y ago
  What is religions' answer? "Because Sky daddy said so"?
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    If "Sky Daddy" is the literal creator of the Earth who gave direct commands to mankind, then that alone is a pretty valid reason. If he isn't, then he's a powerful (yet imaginary) social construct that has evolved over the past 4,000 years to encode the wisdom of many past generations through a set of rules and stories that happen to match up with the stories and rules of many other cultures. It's also an incredibly fast and low-cost way to reach a solution. Either way, there's definitely some validity to the claims of any major religion.
    - Lionga 4y ago
      The claim of black or gay people beeing inferior had been there for more than 4000 years. Does that give any validity to you?
      - AussieWog93 4y ago
        I'm not sure these views are as consistent as you say they are. The Atlantic slave trade started in the 1500s and ended in the 1800s. Even then, it was controversial and faces opposition from certain Church groups (while getting support from others). Vilification of gays based on Christian religious grounds apparently goes back to the 11th century (based on a quick read of Wikipedia, TBF), and is only starting to come undone now. I don't really have an answer for this, it was unfortunate.
- stormking 4y ago
  The answer is a family of simple heuristics like the "Golden Rule", "tit-for-tat" etc.

There's an argument to me made that the age/popularity of a belief system does correlate with validity, given that their individual memes are subject to Darwinism. Of course it's not everything, but I don't think humanism on its own would work without an older religion as its "bootstrap".

rablackburn 4y ago
I wouldn’t say it necessarily correlates with validity - Darwinism is about one thing: fitness of survival. I feel like if you squint a little you can see all the positive-memetic adaptations that get bolted on to organised religion. A commandment to “worship no other god but me” is a classic example of something that seems less like profound revelation and more like an effective memetic adaptation.
tobylane 4y ago
I don't consider myself a humanist, but I accept that my views are similar to them. I think humanism only exists because the way Christianity has been promoted recently forced the alternative to have a graspable answer rather than "I'm a good person for my own preference". UsefulChart's video on humanism may help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWhz3SXPWkg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWhz3SXPWkg
stormking 4y ago
> There's an argument to me made that the age/popularity of a belief system does correlate with validity, given that their individual memes are subject to Darwinism. Absolutely not, because the fitness, in an evolutionary sense, of those memes does not correlate with their truthfulness but with how easy they are to believe because they appeal to our fears, hopes and dreams. Take that "life after death" trope. The hard truth is that there isn't any, when you die, everything that made up "you" will be gone for good. But no religion based on that truth would ever thrive because the thought is just too scary and bleak.

fsflover 4y ago

Why should one choose humanism instead of personal prosperity (egoism)? Religions have an answer. Humanism AFAIK doesn't.

lgas 4y ago
What is religions' answer? "Because Sky daddy said so"?
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  If "Sky Daddy" is the literal creator of the Earth who gave direct commands to mankind, then that alone is a pretty valid reason. If he isn't, then he's a powerful (yet imaginary) social construct that has evolved over the past 4,000 years to encode the wisdom of many past generations through a set of rules and stories that happen to match up with the stories and rules of many other cultures. It's also an incredibly fast and low-cost way to reach a solution. Either way, there's definitely some validity to the claims of any major religion.
  - Lionga 4y ago
    The claim of black or gay people beeing inferior had been there for more than 4000 years. Does that give any validity to you?
    - AussieWog93 4y ago
      I'm not sure these views are as consistent as you say they are. The Atlantic slave trade started in the 1500s and ended in the 1800s. Even then, it was controversial and faces opposition from certain Church groups (while getting support from others). Vilification of gays based on Christian religious grounds apparently goes back to the 11th century (based on a quick read of Wikipedia, TBF), and is only starting to come undone now. I don't really have an answer for this, it was unfortunate.
stormking 4y ago
The answer is a family of simple heuristics like the "Golden Rule", "tit-for-tat" etc.