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Sure, may as well record the professor and no one needs to go to class at all.

by alar44 4y ago

Moldoteck 4y ago
Yeah, too bad we don't have some portable web text format where professor can write his thoughts and share them with everybody before the class itself, so students will just ask additional questions during the class, oh wait...
- dctoedt 4y ago
  > so students will just ask additional questions during the class LOL - if only students could be depended on to, you know, actually ask questions during class! The better approach: The professor poses (pre-written) questions to the class and tells the students, "turn to your neighbor and see what you think"; then, the professor calls on a group to answer. (See the example at § 2.2.3, "Homework review - signature block at https://toedtclassnotes.site44.com/#Day02 https://toedtclassnotes.site44.com/#Day02.) To be sure, this approach is initially more work for the instructor. But it seems to significantly increase audience engagement. Over time, the instructor builds up a question bank that can be selectively re-used.
  - alar44 4y ago
    If they don't that's their fault.
    - dctoedt 4y ago
      Doctors say, you take your patient as you find him- or her. Same with teachers and students: as a teacher it’s my job to be the adult in the room, to try to figure out how to get the knowledge into the student’s brain, not the other way around. I might not succeed but I have to keep trying.
krackers 4y ago
Why not? Many universities effectively did this during the pandemic anyway. Someone people are capable of learning by themselves, while others need a physical classroom environment. Why not treat people like grown-ups and let them choose how they learn best?
- alar44 4y ago
  That's my point.
bsder 4y ago
> Sure, may as well record the professor and no one needs to go to class at all. When I taught CS, I always allowed this with a request to only share it between members of the class. My comment was that I spent the time to tailor things for the class and was generally poorly compensated for such, so please don't impinge on my ability to teach this to people whom I could charge much more for it. Nobody ever shared it beyond the class as far as I could tell. I generally made laptop users sit in the back--the orienting reflex is strong and screen motion is VERY distracting. I also didn't require class attendance; if you were going to watch porn--please just stay home. I did however warn people that the probability was that they were not going to pass the class without attendance. We didn't tend to write programs during class, but we generally went over methods for analyzing problems in order to reduce them to a case you could then write a program for. Of course, I didn't just "read my slides". I tended to draw on the chalkboard while walking through solving various problems and putting things to application.

Sure, may as well record the professor and no one needs to go to class at all.

by alar44 4y ago

Sure, may as well record the professor and no one needs to go to class at all.

Yeah, too bad we don't have some portable web text format where professor can write his thoughts and share them with everybody before the class itself, so students will just ask additional questions during the class, oh wait...

dctoedt 4y ago
> so students will just ask additional questions during the class LOL - if only students could be depended on to, you know, actually ask questions during class! The better approach: The professor poses (pre-written) questions to the class and tells the students, "turn to your neighbor and see what you think"; then, the professor calls on a group to answer. (See the example at § 2.2.3, "Homework review - signature block at https://toedtclassnotes.site44.com/#Day02 https://toedtclassnotes.site44.com/#Day02.) To be sure, this approach is initially more work for the instructor. But it seems to significantly increase audience engagement. Over time, the instructor builds up a question bank that can be selectively re-used.
- alar44 4y ago
  If they don't that's their fault.
  - dctoedt 4y ago
    Doctors say, you take your patient as you find him- or her. Same with teachers and students: as a teacher it’s my job to be the adult in the room, to try to figure out how to get the knowledge into the student’s brain, not the other way around. I might not succeed but I have to keep trying.

krackers 4y ago

Why not? Many universities effectively did this during the pandemic anyway. Someone people are capable of learning by themselves, while others need a physical classroom environment. Why not treat people like grown-ups and let them choose how they learn best?

alar44 4y ago
That's my point.

bsder 4y ago

> Sure, may as well record the professor and no one needs to go to class at all. When I taught CS, I always allowed this with a request to only share it between members of the class. My comment was that I spent the time to tailor things for the class and was generally poorly compensated for such, so please don't impinge on my ability to teach this to people whom I could charge much more for it. Nobody ever shared it beyond the class as far as I could tell. I generally made laptop users sit in the back--the orienting reflex is strong and screen motion is VERY distracting. I also didn't require class attendance; if you were going to watch porn--please just stay home. I did however warn people that the probability was that they were not going to pass the class without attendance. We didn't tend to write programs during class, but we generally went over methods for analyzing problems in order to reduce them to a case you could then write a program for. Of course, I didn't just "read my slides". I tended to draw on the chalkboard while walking through solving various problems and putting things to application.