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I down voted and flagged your comment because it is factually incorrect, and I actually believe what you've written is so wrong and dangerous, especially to you
by TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
I down voted and flagged your comment because it is factually incorrect, and I actually believe what you've written is so wrong and dangerous, especially to younger people who might read your comment, that it should be censored.
It is well known indisputable fact that fossil fuel companies, along with certain characters in the political sphere, waged, and continue to wage, climate change denial war against us.
Rather than provide direct links to any particular source, here's every particular source:
https://www.google.com/search?q=big%20oil%20climate%20change%20denial https://www.google.com/search?q=big%20oil%20climate%20change...
> The politicians and businesses are mostly catering to what individuals want
What you need to realise here is that evolution hasn't created a species of perfectly rational actors with equitable access to information to make purely rational decisions at all times.
We are not perfectly fit in an evolutionary sense, merely fit enough to have made it this far.
There are gaping flaws in our psychological that contribute to making us susceptible to all sorts ideas and actions that are diametrically opposed to our own self interest, and the collective interests of our communities at all scales.
How advertising works:
https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20advertising%20works https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20advertising%20works
You should also be made aware of: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy
Here in Australia, the political class, both major parties, but especially the political right, since at least as long as I've been paying attention, so 1996, 27 years, have actively been working to dismantle education, healthcare, public housing, and deny climate change, that it has become glaringly obvious certain individuals within state and federal politics have been working for the interests of industry and ideology over the interests of the people they've been elected to serve to a level that far exceeds lazy garden variety corruption and rises to the level of active hostility.
You have been deceived in to believing that your individual choices matter. They really don't. It doesn't matter if you, individually, change your behaviour to become a net positive effector on the environment. You don't matter one iota.
If fossil fuel companies, and their political champions, hadn't been actively hostile for the past few decades, we could have deployed a mixture of low / no carbon energy sources, and worked to change our cultural, economic, and societal structures, to avoid the very large scale climate catastrophe we're now enduring.
Frankly, come back when you've made at least some effort to make yourself aware of the history of, and continuance of, the psychological manipulation you yourself have been the subject of, as evidenced by that fact you'd write and espouse such an opinion.
- robocat 4y agoI think you have misconstrued my point: I was trying to add the nuance that collectively our choices as individuals matter (I used the words ‘us’ and ‘individuals’ to make that point in my comment, although I admit I was not very clear). I agree that an individual is fairly powerless, and that we are highly irrational (no need to explain that to me - it is implicit in my comment because it is an obvious truth - that belief underlies everything past “Few individuals want to make the required changes:”). I am not saying that government and business are not culpable as well. I am saying they are not the only groups to blame. Collectively we all are also to blame. Collectively we have agency; whether we can organise ourselves to recognise our weaknesses and use our strength is another matter. Also note, I am fairly sure flagging is completely inappropriate for disagreement on HN. Guideline: “Have curious conversation”. Certainly commenting about flagging is inappropriate “If you flag, please don't also comment that you did.”. Maybe read the https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and try to follow their spirit. You even mention I should be censored, which I find astonishing. Personally I feel like you are bringing politics here, which is usually discouraged, and doubly unnecessary since I strongly suspect we are on the same “side” (I have enough unfortunate friends to know the need for a compassionate society, and enough engineer friends to know the value of building value, and enough greenie friends to know about evil corporations). I feel that you have tagged me as a selfish capitalist individualist child. Perhaps instead read my comment again as though it was written by a friend, and assume good faith, respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what I said, and converse with me as a peer might. I am not dang. I do try to be a good member of this community. Edit: I also think you are assuming all countries are the same. We are a little bit better off in New Zealand, so perhaps that explains why I am a litlle more hopeful. To others: sorry, this has gone a long way off-topic. Merry Xmas!