> a ridiculous claim about the capabilities of bootcamp grads Having met many of these grads, and lived through that phase of hiring, I think it's a lot less r

> a ridiculous claim about the capabilities of bootcamp grads Having met many of these grads, and lived through that phase of hiring, I think it's a lot less ridiculous if you imagine the early bootcamp grads from my friends program as someone who's e.g. a senior mechanical engineer with a degree from good university. These people have strong technical and soft skills and were unusual at the time in that they were already productive in stacks that companies were using. By 2015, you couldn't fill a bootcamp with these kinds of people, so graduate quality is dropping at the same time that universities up their game and start including classes that teach some basic SWE skills. I don't think we actually disagree that the value-add was never that great as the program mostly only helpful to people who already had most of the skills necessary to be a good engineer.