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tbf, it's not "my" idea, there are just a couple of NFT-based ticket sales startups that exist and I am aware of them. The main benefit I would see from the ve

tbf, it's not "my" idea, there are just a couple of NFT-based ticket sales startups that exist and I am aware of them. The main benefit I would see from the venue's perspective is in both scalping prevention and achieving price equilibrium with less effort, because smart contracts can allow a rake to be collected on each resale of a ticket. Beyond that, while this use case doesn't appeal to me, I know of people who've collected scrapbooks of concert tickets, but the NFTs of the tickets are a collectible item (to whatever extent someone deems a digital asset "collectible") and can be potential collected in a digital scrapbook as either social proof or memoria. That said, there's nothing in my view that mandates that the central authority doesn't own the whole thing. You can own the whole thing, either on your own token, or as a non-blockchain product altogether -- or not at all, but there are existing tools and technologies that allow for easier on-ramps than building it yourself and I think most venues don't particularly care what the technology is or that it's NFTs or that it's blockchain, so I don't know of any reason that a blockchain based offering couldn't find itself competitive in the marketplace unless their sales pitch is exclusively that.

dmitriid 4y ago
> I don't know of any reason that a blockchain based offering couldn't find itself competitive in the marketplace The main reason is that you have shown exactly zero reasons why anyone shold adopt it in a space that's already mostly solved the issue of selling tickets to people. You are teling people to create insane complexity just to solve the single case of selling a single ticket to a single person and pretend that's all there is. And telling people "but it's blockchain so it's good actually". That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.
- bmelton 4y ago
  > And telling people "but it's blockchain so it's good actually" I did literally the opposite of that when I said "I don't know of any reason that a blockchain based offering couldn't find itself competitive in the marketplace unless their sales pitch is exclusively that." Restated, I am saying that "but it's blockchain so it's good actually" is not a viable sales pitch. All the rest of my comment are reasons that I think are pitchable features. You seem to have imagined me saying something I didn't and are arguing against what you've imagined I said.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > I don't know of any reason that a blockchain based offering couldn't find itself competitive in the marketplace So what are the reasons that a a blockchain based offering could be copetitive in the marketplace? And what would bockchain have to do with it? Remember ,we're talking about tickets: a problem largely solved. Where a central authority you trust releases a ticket, and where the central authority you trust verifies the ticket at the venue. So, what is the sales pitch for tickets for a blockchain-based ticketing startup? Other than, you know, "but it's blockchain!" (as all these startups do)
    - bmelton 4y ago
      I listed the benefits in my previous message that you have apparently not read now. From another comment you've made "I stopped making an effort [appreciating a pro-blockchain point of view] five-seven years ago for many obvious reasons," I won't bother to re-list them. If you aren't going to engage in good faith because you've imagined me to be a crypto-proponent, I'd appreciate it if you'd at least read what you're trying to argue with.
      - dmitriid 4y ago
        > I listed the benefits in my previous message that you have apparently not read now. Oh, I have. None of those are tangibl benefits to either the venues or to the consumers. Or are not issues to begin with. All you propose is to build a tower of babel to kinda maybe solve minor issues. I especially like this: " smart contracts can allow a rake to be collected on each resale of a ticket." Ah yeah, let's milk money for ever, and ever, and ever. As to collectibel items and NFTs, you don't need NFTs to make collectible items. Especially considering how actual data for this bullshit is always invariably stored on a centralised server somewhere. But sure. "Benefits". That's one of the many reason why I stopped making an effort [appreciating a pro-blockchain point of view] five-seven years ago. Because all the bullshit that crypto absolutists come up with is so far removed from reality. And that's even for the simplest use cases like selling one ticket ot a single person for a single concert.
fwip 4y ago
How does it stop scalpers? Scalper creates a wallet, buys a ticket, sells wallet to someone else.

dmitriid 4y ago

> I don't know of any reason that a blockchain based offering couldn't find itself competitive in the marketplace The main reason is that you have shown exactly zero reasons why anyone shold adopt it in a space that's already mostly solved the issue of selling tickets to people. You are teling people to create insane complexity just to solve the single case of selling a single ticket to a single person and pretend that's all there is. And telling people "but it's blockchain so it's good actually". That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.

bmelton 4y ago
> And telling people "but it's blockchain so it's good actually" I did literally the opposite of that when I said "I don't know of any reason that a blockchain based offering couldn't find itself competitive in the marketplace unless their sales pitch is exclusively that." Restated, I am saying that "but it's blockchain so it's good actually" is not a viable sales pitch. All the rest of my comment are reasons that I think are pitchable features. You seem to have imagined me saying something I didn't and are arguing against what you've imagined I said.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > I don't know of any reason that a blockchain based offering couldn't find itself competitive in the marketplace So what are the reasons that a a blockchain based offering could be copetitive in the marketplace? And what would bockchain have to do with it? Remember ,we're talking about tickets: a problem largely solved. Where a central authority you trust releases a ticket, and where the central authority you trust verifies the ticket at the venue. So, what is the sales pitch for tickets for a blockchain-based ticketing startup? Other than, you know, "but it's blockchain!" (as all these startups do)
  - bmelton 4y ago
    I listed the benefits in my previous message that you have apparently not read now. From another comment you've made "I stopped making an effort [appreciating a pro-blockchain point of view] five-seven years ago for many obvious reasons," I won't bother to re-list them. If you aren't going to engage in good faith because you've imagined me to be a crypto-proponent, I'd appreciate it if you'd at least read what you're trying to argue with.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > I listed the benefits in my previous message that you have apparently not read now. Oh, I have. None of those are tangibl benefits to either the venues or to the consumers. Or are not issues to begin with. All you propose is to build a tower of babel to kinda maybe solve minor issues. I especially like this: " smart contracts can allow a rake to be collected on each resale of a ticket." Ah yeah, let's milk money for ever, and ever, and ever. As to collectibel items and NFTs, you don't need NFTs to make collectible items. Especially considering how actual data for this bullshit is always invariably stored on a centralised server somewhere. But sure. "Benefits". That's one of the many reason why I stopped making an effort [appreciating a pro-blockchain point of view] five-seven years ago. Because all the bullshit that crypto absolutists come up with is so far removed from reality. And that's even for the simplest use cases like selling one ticket ot a single person for a single concert.

fwip 4y ago

How does it stop scalpers? Scalper creates a wallet, buys a ticket, sells wallet to someone else.