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Tiktok has been used by the Chinese gov just like the U.S gov has been using its own internet companies(i.e apple, microsoft, google, meta etc). We already know

Tiktok has been used by the Chinese gov just like the U.S gov has been using its own internet companies(i.e apple, microsoft, google, meta etc). We already know from Snowden. I really dont understand why people act surprised. If any national or supranational gov(i.e E.U) cares about privacy and security of its citizens it should ban data transfer and data access outside its jurisdiction(i.e require totally separate entity located in each country/jurisdiction). This would be better for taxes and local jobs too.

powerapple 4y ago
I assume there are spies working in all different companies, governments don't even need to officially tap into those companies. What the private companies can do is to strength their security, and make sure it cannot happen easily.
foreverCarlos 4y ago
Every time something like this is posted, the thread is littered with a dozen comments about how this should surprise no one, "water is wet", etc. News does not mean that journalists or the readers are shocked or even surprised. It's a new (or updated) piece of information. So yes, it's OK to have a discussion about it without the snarky comments. How would your proposed solution solve the problem you outline in the first sentence? If the US bans data transfer outside of its jurisdiction then Apple, Microsoft, etc will stop cooperating with secret government data collection programs?
- cromka 4y ago
  Not to mention that such limitations accelerate the fragmentation of the Internet
  - thefounder 4y ago
    You end-up with fragmentation of corporations not fragmentation of the internet. If Google sets a self governed license based entity in Europe with staff from Europe(executives including the CEO etc) then you have two separate entities playing by different rules(EU based or U.S based) linked just through a licensing deal. Think of it like Microsoft sells On-premise Azure instalations to governments. The EU and US entities would share no internal data b/c they would be two different companies that use the same software for different clients.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    So be it. If its either one country spying on everyone, or no one. I think its better to be no one.
    - foreverCarlos 4y ago
      All countries that tightly control their Internet bubble have very free societies: just look at NK, China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, etc. If only the US could have as little spying as those countries!
      - jacooper 4y ago
        Lol, you think Saudi Arabia can be compared to China? You have no idea. And the problem is not the spying it self, rather its that one country has all the data mining companies, and has regulations to force these companies to give them data even if its breaks local laws. And when a truly foreign competitor showed up, guess what? They banned it(huawei) and now they want to ban software too(Tiktok). Yet they go moaning about data protection laws limiting their companies reach and spying power. > If only the US could have as little spying as those countries! They already do, if not more. These countries have local spying power, and foreign teams. While the US almost controls the entire internet, they can spy on anyone anywhere.
hulitu 4y ago
> I really dont understand why people act surprised. The official narative is: China bad, America good. The fact that the majority of OS's and Apps that will spy on you is developed by US companies, does not seem to matter.
- tosc 4y ago
  > The official narative is: China bad, America good. This isn’t accurate. The official narrative is that America’s way of life is under threat from China. This is just true. China would say the same thing, and that would be true too. There is an assumption that most US citizens prefer America to China, also true. Can we assume that most Chinese nationals prefer China to America? Presumably.
  - thefounder 4y ago
    Apparently some forget that there are more than 2 countries in the world.
amazon_illegal 4y ago
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dmix 4y ago
> I really dont understand why people act surprised. I despise when people use this sentence to blow off stories. It's great you're not surprised. Doesn't make it less important.

powerapple 4y ago

I assume there are spies working in all different companies, governments don't even need to officially tap into those companies. What the private companies can do is to strength their security, and make sure it cannot happen easily.

foreverCarlos 4y ago

Every time something like this is posted, the thread is littered with a dozen comments about how this should surprise no one, "water is wet", etc. News does not mean that journalists or the readers are shocked or even surprised. It's a new (or updated) piece of information. So yes, it's OK to have a discussion about it without the snarky comments. How would your proposed solution solve the problem you outline in the first sentence? If the US bans data transfer outside of its jurisdiction then Apple, Microsoft, etc will stop cooperating with secret government data collection programs?

cromka 4y ago
Not to mention that such limitations accelerate the fragmentation of the Internet
- thefounder 4y ago
  You end-up with fragmentation of corporations not fragmentation of the internet. If Google sets a self governed license based entity in Europe with staff from Europe(executives including the CEO etc) then you have two separate entities playing by different rules(EU based or U.S based) linked just through a licensing deal. Think of it like Microsoft sells On-premise Azure instalations to governments. The EU and US entities would share no internal data b/c they would be two different companies that use the same software for different clients.
- jacooper 4y ago
  So be it. If its either one country spying on everyone, or no one. I think its better to be no one.
  - foreverCarlos 4y ago
    All countries that tightly control their Internet bubble have very free societies: just look at NK, China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, etc. If only the US could have as little spying as those countries!
    - jacooper 4y ago
      Lol, you think Saudi Arabia can be compared to China? You have no idea. And the problem is not the spying it self, rather its that one country has all the data mining companies, and has regulations to force these companies to give them data even if its breaks local laws. And when a truly foreign competitor showed up, guess what? They banned it(huawei) and now they want to ban software too(Tiktok). Yet they go moaning about data protection laws limiting their companies reach and spying power. > If only the US could have as little spying as those countries! They already do, if not more. These countries have local spying power, and foreign teams. While the US almost controls the entire internet, they can spy on anyone anywhere.

hulitu 4y ago

> I really dont understand why people act surprised. The official narative is: China bad, America good. The fact that the majority of OS's and Apps that will spy on you is developed by US companies, does not seem to matter.

tosc 4y ago
> The official narative is: China bad, America good. This isn’t accurate. The official narrative is that America’s way of life is under threat from China. This is just true. China would say the same thing, and that would be true too. There is an assumption that most US citizens prefer America to China, also true. Can we assume that most Chinese nationals prefer China to America? Presumably.
- thefounder 4y ago
  Apparently some forget that there are more than 2 countries in the world.

amazon_illegal 4y ago

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dmix 4y ago

> I really dont understand why people act surprised. I despise when people use this sentence to blow off stories. It's great you're not surprised. Doesn't make it less important.