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> Suckless comes up every so often and then it goes on to politics about the Suckless people. You're the only one bringing that up. So congrats on derailing th

by imiric 4y ago

> Suckless comes up every so often and then it goes on to politics about the Suckless people. You're the only one bringing that up. So congrats on derailing the discussion again.

weakfortress 4y ago
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wkat4242 4y ago
Is it really irrelevant? ReiserFS withered when its namesake dev was jailed for murdering his wife. Perhaps he had good ideas but nobody wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole now. Who wants to support a murderer? I also moved away from a major mobile OS since its main dev started a crusade about a competing project. I'll leave the details vague not to get into the discussion. But it gave me an uneasy feeling. Is this the guy I want to maintain critical code on my device? I'm not aware of the suckless people but the idea that the personal lives of the devs don't matter is not something completely irrelevant IMO.
- zzo38computer 4y ago
  > ReiserFS withered when its namesake dev was jailed for murdering his wife. That is unimportant for the purpose of considering whether or not ReiserFS is any good. Looking on Wikipedia, I can already find one problem though, which is the year 2038 problem. Wikipedia also says "Some directory operations (including unlink(2)) are not synchronous on ReiserFS, which can result in data corruption with applications relying heavily on file-based locksif the machine halts before it has synchronized the disk." So, there are a few problems with ReiserFS (although it might have good ideas too). But if the author murdered his wife, that is the problem with the author, not a problem with ReiserFS. (It is still a problem, but it is a problem with something else.)
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    Yeah my point is it's not that black and white. When you use a product, you're supporting the owner, and the brand. In IT it's not as widely used but clothing brands sell their brand more than they sell a product. A lot of brands aren't that great quality but people wear them proudly as a form of expression. Even regardless of the fact that they're made by little kids in a sweatshop half a world away. People judge us by the products we choose. It's a human thing. Pretending this phenomenon doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. It can also clarify what to expect from the authors in the future and what direction they will go into with their product. In that sense it's more of a practical continuity-type of thing. In the case of Reiser, it's kinda hard to lead a thriving product when one is in jail for life. Again I don't know what the deal is with suckless and their people (in fact if Poettering doesn't like them that's a plus for them in my book ;) ), but I don't see the people behind it and the product as two separate things.

by imiric 4y ago

> Suckless comes up every so often and then it goes on to politics about the Suckless people. You're the only one bringing that up. So congrats on derailing the discussion again.

weakfortress 4y ago

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wkat4242 4y ago

Is it really irrelevant? ReiserFS withered when its namesake dev was jailed for murdering his wife. Perhaps he had good ideas but nobody wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole now. Who wants to support a murderer? I also moved away from a major mobile OS since its main dev started a crusade about a competing project. I'll leave the details vague not to get into the discussion. But it gave me an uneasy feeling. Is this the guy I want to maintain critical code on my device? I'm not aware of the suckless people but the idea that the personal lives of the devs don't matter is not something completely irrelevant IMO.

zzo38computer 4y ago
> ReiserFS withered when its namesake dev was jailed for murdering his wife. That is unimportant for the purpose of considering whether or not ReiserFS is any good. Looking on Wikipedia, I can already find one problem though, which is the year 2038 problem. Wikipedia also says "Some directory operations (including unlink(2)) are not synchronous on ReiserFS, which can result in data corruption with applications relying heavily on file-based locksif the machine halts before it has synchronized the disk." So, there are a few problems with ReiserFS (although it might have good ideas too). But if the author murdered his wife, that is the problem with the author, not a problem with ReiserFS. (It is still a problem, but it is a problem with something else.)
- wkat4242 4y ago
  Yeah my point is it's not that black and white. When you use a product, you're supporting the owner, and the brand. In IT it's not as widely used but clothing brands sell their brand more than they sell a product. A lot of brands aren't that great quality but people wear them proudly as a form of expression. Even regardless of the fact that they're made by little kids in a sweatshop half a world away. People judge us by the products we choose. It's a human thing. Pretending this phenomenon doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. It can also clarify what to expect from the authors in the future and what direction they will go into with their product. In that sense it's more of a practical continuity-type of thing. In the case of Reiser, it's kinda hard to lead a thriving product when one is in jail for life. Again I don't know what the deal is with suckless and their people (in fact if Poettering doesn't like them that's a plus for them in my book ;) ), but I don't see the people behind it and the product as two separate things.