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Many times, when I see cool software projects are posted here, I go onto the about pages or personal blogs of the authors, to see what else they've made. And wh

by _dain_ 4y ago

Many times, when I see cool software projects are posted here, I go onto the about pages or personal blogs of the authors, to see what else they've made. And what I often see is a lot of absurd, hateful, deranged, wrong, extremist takes on their blogs and twitter feeds. Stuff that I find distasteful or outright horrifying. But they're leftist (or "centrist"), so there's no point complaining about it on HN. I would bet 98% of all open-source software written is by left-wing or apolitical people. Suckless is one of the few islands of (crypto-)right wing outlook. And if that bothers you and you have to make a fuss, go ahead. But maybe ask yourself why you can't be satisfied with a mere 98%.

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djur 4y ago
There are a lot of conservative, liberal, or left-wing people I disagree with. The difference between them and fascists is that they're not threatening to take away my right to disagree with them by violence, nor do they typically suggest that people like me and my friends should be killed or imprisoned for being who we are. This is a fundamental difference that can't be reduced to a "both sides have extremists" analysis.
- blueflow 4y ago
  Who is threatening to take away any rights? Who is disagreeing using violence? Is this any real problem right now?
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    It very much is. If you live in the USA, please be thankful that you have freedom of expression and a culture that values such rights. This is not the norm in many parts of the world.
    - blueflow 4y ago
      Is this related to suckless?
- ohCh6zos 4y ago
  Both the far left and the far right have told me I shouldn't have rights and that I should be sent to the camps. From my perspective it really is a 'both sides have extremists' situation.
  - kjs3 4y ago
    Well, duh. But using "butbutbut the wackos on the other side do bad things too!" as a tool to neuter the conversation is a cop-out at best.
  - l3uwin 4y ago
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- zozbot234 4y ago
  > This is a fundamental difference that can't be reduced to a "both sides have extremists" analysis. So tankies who glorify Stalin and would take away people's right to disagree with them by violent means and sometimes kill and/or imprison them, because "nazis" (and we've all witnessed a very prominent example of exactly this happening in 2022) are just not a thing in your worldview, I take it? "Both sides have extremists" is not just some throwaway remark or whataboutism, it's advising caution about a very real phenomenon.
  - howinteresting 4y ago
    I'm very left, and tankies are also outside my personal Overton window.
  - djur 4y ago
    I don't like or associate with Stalinists, but they also have zero political influence in the United States.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  > The difference between them and fascists is that they're not threatening to take away my right to disagree with them by violence > nor do they typically suggest that people like me and my friends should be killed or imprisoned for being who we are I think you should reevaluate that. Far too many people have been cancelled and imprisoned in the world by the self-righteous authoritarians you are defending right now. Hell, I'm living in a country that's about to descend into literal communism mere days from now. Among the many laws they're going to implement, there are "political intolerance" laws that criminalize intolerance towards leftists in general society, in the job market and pretty much any context. It will be a crime to boycott a business if you don't agree with their politics, for example. They're calling it the "big democracy package" but I don't believe for a second the "right wing nazis" will receive any protection.
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    Brazil is going to go literal communist? I think you're exaggerating a tad.
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      Well I don't think it's any exaggeration at all. The president has said multiple times in the past decades that he intends to install socialism in Brazil. He's tried it before in past governments with plans to relativize private property rights, regulate the press, heavily tax great fortunes and whatnot. Even the press that campaigned for him relentlessly these last four years used to criticize that. There's a judiciary dictatorship on top of all that with the congress and senate being completely worthless, just like in Venezuela. Lula is now old, cancerous, with nothing to lose and vengeful due to being arrested for corruption and his party losing the previous election to "fascists". He was openly threatening other politicians who didn't ally with him even before the election. After the election, I saw him tell journalists they could work but "without badmouthing the government". It's no exaggeration at all to believe this country is finished. Anyone who believed in a moderate government has already jumped ship and wished good luck to anyone still in this shithole. I'm thinking of getting the fuck out of here myself, I only hesitate because of my family.
masklinn 4y ago
> Suckless is one of the few islands of right wing outlook. It has a concerning concentration of outright neo nazis. If that's what you consider acceptable "right wing outlook", I can see how you'd consider "98% of all open-source software written is by left-wing or apolitical people [or "centrists"]", and that this is apparently bad.
otikik 4y ago
Consider that conflating “right” and “fascist” helps the fascists and hinders the rest of the conservative folk.
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djur 4y ago

There are a lot of conservative, liberal, or left-wing people I disagree with. The difference between them and fascists is that they're not threatening to take away my right to disagree with them by violence, nor do they typically suggest that people like me and my friends should be killed or imprisoned for being who we are. This is a fundamental difference that can't be reduced to a "both sides have extremists" analysis.

blueflow 4y ago
Who is threatening to take away any rights? Who is disagreeing using violence? Is this any real problem right now?
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  It very much is. If you live in the USA, please be thankful that you have freedom of expression and a culture that values such rights. This is not the norm in many parts of the world.
  - blueflow 4y ago
    Is this related to suckless?
ohCh6zos 4y ago
Both the far left and the far right have told me I shouldn't have rights and that I should be sent to the camps. From my perspective it really is a 'both sides have extremists' situation.
- kjs3 4y ago
  Well, duh. But using "butbutbut the wackos on the other side do bad things too!" as a tool to neuter the conversation is a cop-out at best.
- l3uwin 4y ago
  [dead]
zozbot234 4y ago
> This is a fundamental difference that can't be reduced to a "both sides have extremists" analysis. So tankies who glorify Stalin and would take away people's right to disagree with them by violent means and sometimes kill and/or imprison them, because "nazis" (and we've all witnessed a very prominent example of exactly this happening in 2022) are just not a thing in your worldview, I take it? "Both sides have extremists" is not just some throwaway remark or whataboutism, it's advising caution about a very real phenomenon.
- howinteresting 4y ago
  I'm very left, and tankies are also outside my personal Overton window.
- djur 4y ago
  I don't like or associate with Stalinists, but they also have zero political influence in the United States.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
> The difference between them and fascists is that they're not threatening to take away my right to disagree with them by violence > nor do they typically suggest that people like me and my friends should be killed or imprisoned for being who we are I think you should reevaluate that. Far too many people have been cancelled and imprisoned in the world by the self-righteous authoritarians you are defending right now. Hell, I'm living in a country that's about to descend into literal communism mere days from now. Among the many laws they're going to implement, there are "political intolerance" laws that criminalize intolerance towards leftists in general society, in the job market and pretty much any context. It will be a crime to boycott a business if you don't agree with their politics, for example. They're calling it the "big democracy package" but I don't believe for a second the "right wing nazis" will receive any protection.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  Brazil is going to go literal communist? I think you're exaggerating a tad.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    Well I don't think it's any exaggeration at all. The president has said multiple times in the past decades that he intends to install socialism in Brazil. He's tried it before in past governments with plans to relativize private property rights, regulate the press, heavily tax great fortunes and whatnot. Even the press that campaigned for him relentlessly these last four years used to criticize that. There's a judiciary dictatorship on top of all that with the congress and senate being completely worthless, just like in Venezuela. Lula is now old, cancerous, with nothing to lose and vengeful due to being arrested for corruption and his party losing the previous election to "fascists". He was openly threatening other politicians who didn't ally with him even before the election. After the election, I saw him tell journalists they could work but "without badmouthing the government". It's no exaggeration at all to believe this country is finished. Anyone who believed in a moderate government has already jumped ship and wished good luck to anyone still in this shithole. I'm thinking of getting the fuck out of here myself, I only hesitate because of my family.

masklinn 4y ago

> Suckless is one of the few islands of right wing outlook. It has a concerning concentration of outright neo nazis. If that's what you consider acceptable "right wing outlook", I can see how you'd consider "98% of all open-source software written is by left-wing or apolitical people [or "centrists"]", and that this is apparently bad.

otikik 4y ago

Consider that conflating “right” and “fascist” helps the fascists and hinders the rest of the conservative folk.

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