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I'm wary of claims that neurotypicals are somehow better at it. Seems more likely that nobody is as good as most everyone assumes they are. That is, self asse
by taeric 4y ago
I'm wary of claims that neurotypicals are somehow better at it. Seems more likely that nobody is as good as most everyone assumes they are. That is, self assessment is a known hard problem. Assessment of others would have many of the same traps.
- lazide 4y agoThere are well recognized patterns in specific types of ‘neuro divergents’ that are fundamental to the conditions and that make it very difficult, if not impossible, to recognize or process common social cues in useful ways. It makes them categorically have a much harder time in this area, for those categories. What you’re saying is essentially ‘meh, don’t just assume you are hallucinating sometimes just because you’re schizophrenic’. Maybe? but if they think they are, they very well might be right.
- taeric 4y agoFair. My wariness comes from knowing a large number of people that claim to have these complications, but are also just rude people. Which is to say, they may be divergent. That doesn't do much to suggest that others are "better" at this. Turns out that life is hard for most everyone.
- lazide 4y agoHow would you expect them to present except as rude, in that situation? That sounds like you’re complaining that said schizophrenic in the prior example just ‘seems a little crazy’, but life is tough for everyone?
- taeric 4y agoI mean rude in the child sense, honestly. Kids can be seen as neuro divergent, sure. But even "typical" ones are often surprisingly rude. Very few people just "know" how to be polite.
- lazide 4y agoOk, but what would you expect it to look like otherwise, if they could not actually learn those things because their brain was not wired to be able to? They still are going to grow up, but unlike normal folks, they can’t learn those skills - or if they do, it takes vastly more effort.
- taeric 4y agoMe claim is more to be taken that you should work from the assumption it is hard for everyone. Setting yourself apart as someone that is "just bad" at it is going to reinforce that idea. Can it be true? Of course. Some folks are also just bad at math.
- nicoburns 4y agoIf it was hard for everyone it wouldn't be such a problem, as presumably people would be more tolerant of others getting it "wrong". As it is, it seems that there's a large cadre of people who not only find it easy, but find the "correct" behaviours so self-evident that they tend to assume that people who don't notice these things (or whose natural preferences are different from the unwritten social norm) are being wilfully offensive.
- taeric 4y agoIt is a learned skill. And many norms are not as shared as folks assume they are. As such, I think you are understating how willing folks are to tolerate people getting it "wrong." I say this as someone that would almost certainly be described as neuro divergent. Fake it till you make it is the norm for social interactions. That and repetition. Is akin to thinking everyone else is a good dancer. I mean, the more practiced dancers will be better, at large. There are relatively fewer folks that can't dance, compared to those that don't dance.
- lazide 4y agoYou seem to be assuming they did not try because they assumed they had an incurable problem. Why not assume that they did try (and still are), and after failing over and over when others did not, realized they have a problem and are being open about it? You seem to be denying the problem actually can exist, and blame them for not trying - when you don’t seem to know if they are trying or not. It’s quite odd.
- kelseyfrog 4y agoThis line of questioning is interesting. Does anyone have papers on the quantification of NT inference ability in conversations?
- taeric 4y agoAgreed it would be interesting to see. If you find any links, please post back.