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Uh huh. And did they take money from customers with the promise of full self-driving being just around the corner? Did they take money from customers for a prod

Uh huh. And did they take money from customers with the promise of full self-driving being just around the corner? Did they take money from customers for a product making the specific claim that it has the "hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver": https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... Musk will continue to lie about it because he thinks that without full self-driving Tesla is worth basically zero: https://electrek.co/2022/06/15/elon-musk-solving-self-driving-difference-between-tesla-worth-a-lot-or-nothing/ https://electrek.co/2022/06/15/elon-musk-solving-self-drivin... Tesla has backed itself into this corner for no good reason, which is an irony considering that Teslas aren't good at backing themselves into anywhere else: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA

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twblalock 4y ago
> Musk will continue to lie about it because he thinks that without full self-driving Tesla is worth basically zero Lots of people who buy Teslas don’t care about the self driving at all. They want the best-designed, best-driving, fastest electric cars on the road with the best charging network.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > They want the best-designed, best-driving, fastest electric cars on the road with the best charging network. Well, Europe's charging infrastructure is the best at the moment and "best driving" is subjective. So do you mean they want a Porsche Taycan in Europe? Or maybe the Audi e-tron GT? Or the Mercedes EQS? Or perhaps the BMW iX? You'll need to be more specific. Lucid has started European deliveries (https://www.electrive.com/2022/12/21/lucid-motors-launches-air-deliveries-in-europe/ https://www.electrive.com/2022/12/21/lucid-motors-launches-a...) so we can add the Air to our list. As we know, the Lucid Air is great for both range and performance: https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyDpQpcPpuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyDpQpcPpuc

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twblalock 4y ago

> Musk will continue to lie about it because he thinks that without full self-driving Tesla is worth basically zero Lots of people who buy Teslas don’t care about the self driving at all. They want the best-designed, best-driving, fastest electric cars on the road with the best charging network.

clouddrover 4y ago
> They want the best-designed, best-driving, fastest electric cars on the road with the best charging network. Well, Europe's charging infrastructure is the best at the moment and "best driving" is subjective. So do you mean they want a Porsche Taycan in Europe? Or maybe the Audi e-tron GT? Or the Mercedes EQS? Or perhaps the BMW iX? You'll need to be more specific. Lucid has started European deliveries (https://www.electrive.com/2022/12/21/lucid-motors-launches-air-deliveries-in-europe/ https://www.electrive.com/2022/12/21/lucid-motors-launches-a...) so we can add the Air to our list. As we know, the Lucid Air is great for both range and performance: https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyDpQpcPpuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyDpQpcPpuc