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You'd have to be pretty simple to think that election results report on accurate outcomes. Most people in the world don't believe that at all. Taking the past t

by pnf 4y ago

You'd have to be pretty simple to think that election results report on accurate outcomes. Most people in the world don't believe that at all. Taking the past two US presidential elections, most people thought either 2016 or 2020 was fraudulent. Election results are information wars like campaigns. The fight is over control of the narrative and the power legitimated by the accepted narrative. Hence the exceptional brouhaha over questioning the legitimacy of elections. Such talk must be brutally suppressed by the victor, if able. If the winner is not able to suppress challenges to its legitimacy then you have a real problem of how to justify your authority. Even explicit autocracies hold elections for this purpose.

andsoitis 4y ago
> You'd have to be pretty simple to think that election results report on accurate outcomes. Thanks, yes I’m simple. > Taking the past two US presidential elections, most people thought either 2016 or 2020 was fraudulent. As far as I know this isn’t true. Most people in the US do not believe that either 2016 or 2020 were fraudulent. For instance, here are the front pages of many newspapers after the 2016 election results: https://www.vox.com/presidential-election/2016/11/9/13572686/donald-trump-front-page-us-newspapers https://www.vox.com/presidential-election/2016/11/9/13572686... Can you point to data sources that substantiate your claim?
- pnf 4y ago
  Maybe you missed the extremely effective Russiagate psyop or that a majority of half the electorate believes Biden's election was fraudulent. Combined it looks like 50-60% believe EITHER one OR the other was fraudulent. (OK, you're right if you include children in the set, but then we have a significant part of our population believing in Santa Claus.) A headline from the days after the election only substantiates my argument. The narrative war was far from over in Nov 2016. I hope I don't have to convince you that Trump voters have little confidence in 2020 results. Here are a couple of reminders that Clinton voters felt similarly after 2016. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1065912918768006 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/106591291876800... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/hillary-clinton-doing-now-2020/616668/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/hillary...

by pnf 4y ago

andsoitis 4y ago

> You'd have to be pretty simple to think that election results report on accurate outcomes. Thanks, yes I’m simple. > Taking the past two US presidential elections, most people thought either 2016 or 2020 was fraudulent. As far as I know this isn’t true. Most people in the US do not believe that either 2016 or 2020 were fraudulent. For instance, here are the front pages of many newspapers after the 2016 election results: https://www.vox.com/presidential-election/2016/11/9/13572686/donald-trump-front-page-us-newspapers https://www.vox.com/presidential-election/2016/11/9/13572686... Can you point to data sources that substantiate your claim?

pnf 4y ago
Maybe you missed the extremely effective Russiagate psyop or that a majority of half the electorate believes Biden's election was fraudulent. Combined it looks like 50-60% believe EITHER one OR the other was fraudulent. (OK, you're right if you include children in the set, but then we have a significant part of our population believing in Santa Claus.) A headline from the days after the election only substantiates my argument. The narrative war was far from over in Nov 2016. I hope I don't have to convince you that Trump voters have little confidence in 2020 results. Here are a couple of reminders that Clinton voters felt similarly after 2016. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1065912918768006 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/106591291876800... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/hillary-clinton-doing-now-2020/616668/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/hillary...