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It's not a problem to me, that's the point. By saying I am a part of the problem, what you really mean is that my views are an obstacle to you getting what you

by 22289d 4y ago

It's not a problem to me, that's the point. By saying I am a part of the problem, what you really mean is that my views are an obstacle to you getting what you want.

natechols 4y ago
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- 22289d 4y ago
  Once again, you don't get to decide for me what 'the problem is'. You're just framing what you want as objectively what should be. But you're incorrect to frame it that way. You want what you want. I want what i want.
  - mikem170 4y ago
    It's more than just framing. It's one set of people telling another set of people what they can and cannot do with the land they own. That seems to be a bit of a tie breaker. The parent you replied to wasn't telling other people what to do with land they owned, he was objecting to people telling him what he could do on land he owned (within reason, like a duplex/triplex, or an accessory dwelling unit). There's no principal like safety behind how restrictive many of these rules are, unless you count fear of people in different economic demographics to be a reasonable justification. It's a difference of opinion. People who want more flexible zoning are growing in number, these are people who can't find an affordable place to live or are otherwise not happy with the changes made to zoning in the last 75-100 years, and they are driving changes in more and more localities.
    - dahfizz 4y ago
      > within reason, like a duplex/triplex, or an accessory dwelling unit. OP is literally advocating for building refugee camps, not duplexes.
  - ubercow13 4y ago
    What you are ignoring is that you live in a society.
- khazhoux 4y ago
  > Most of us aren't even asking you to do anything or pay higher taxes - just stop screwing it up for everyone whose income isn't as big as yours It's true people don't have to "do" anything, but they are still affected by QOL decline: increase in traffic, not enough parking, schools get crowded, everything gets crowded, etc. So it's not a no-op.
  - epicureanideal 4y ago
    But by buying a house they're not buying the whole city and the right to prevent others from living there. If these are REALLY the objections, we could find ways to mitigate these issues. A reasonable discussion could be had about how fast neighborhoods should change, or what reasonable expectations buyers should have about the neighborhood changing over what period of time around them. However, if more people move in, their single family home in the period of 10-20 years will probably double in value and they'd probably be able to sell it and move to the outskirts of the now-expanded city with a similar character to what they had before, which has become the center of the growing city.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  What if people simply don't want refugee camps in their back yard? You are assuming that an improvement for you is logically an improvement for others. It's not. Your opinion is worth as much as everyone else's; 1 vote
- NigelThornberry 4y ago
  In what world does living next to a refugee camp improve quality of life?
- deleted 4y ago
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- foogazi 4y ago
  > There are an awful lot of suburbs in the Bay Area that would be massively improved in character by replacing a handful of mansions with refugee camps. Not even refugees would want to live near refugee camps
TulliusCicero 4y ago
> It's not a problem to me, that's the point. We get it, you don't care about anyone else, only yourself. This was already clear from your previous comments.
- soupbowl 4y ago
  I appreciate their honesty. I am little tired of people on the internet pretending to be bleeding hearts for everyone else's problems.
ch4s3 4y ago
Exactly you’re imposing your will on other people’s property. You’re engaged in theft by other means.

by 22289d 4y ago

It's not a problem to me, that's the point. By saying I am a part of the problem, what you really mean is that my views are an obstacle to you getting what you want.

natechols 4y ago

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22289d 4y ago
Once again, you don't get to decide for me what 'the problem is'. You're just framing what you want as objectively what should be. But you're incorrect to frame it that way. You want what you want. I want what i want.
- mikem170 4y ago
  It's more than just framing. It's one set of people telling another set of people what they can and cannot do with the land they own. That seems to be a bit of a tie breaker. The parent you replied to wasn't telling other people what to do with land they owned, he was objecting to people telling him what he could do on land he owned (within reason, like a duplex/triplex, or an accessory dwelling unit). There's no principal like safety behind how restrictive many of these rules are, unless you count fear of people in different economic demographics to be a reasonable justification. It's a difference of opinion. People who want more flexible zoning are growing in number, these are people who can't find an affordable place to live or are otherwise not happy with the changes made to zoning in the last 75-100 years, and they are driving changes in more and more localities.
  - dahfizz 4y ago
    > within reason, like a duplex/triplex, or an accessory dwelling unit. OP is literally advocating for building refugee camps, not duplexes.
- ubercow13 4y ago
  What you are ignoring is that you live in a society.
khazhoux 4y ago
> Most of us aren't even asking you to do anything or pay higher taxes - just stop screwing it up for everyone whose income isn't as big as yours It's true people don't have to "do" anything, but they are still affected by QOL decline: increase in traffic, not enough parking, schools get crowded, everything gets crowded, etc. So it's not a no-op.
- epicureanideal 4y ago
  But by buying a house they're not buying the whole city and the right to prevent others from living there. If these are REALLY the objections, we could find ways to mitigate these issues. A reasonable discussion could be had about how fast neighborhoods should change, or what reasonable expectations buyers should have about the neighborhood changing over what period of time around them. However, if more people move in, their single family home in the period of 10-20 years will probably double in value and they'd probably be able to sell it and move to the outskirts of the now-expanded city with a similar character to what they had before, which has become the center of the growing city.
wonderwonder 4y ago
What if people simply don't want refugee camps in their back yard? You are assuming that an improvement for you is logically an improvement for others. It's not. Your opinion is worth as much as everyone else's; 1 vote
NigelThornberry 4y ago
In what world does living next to a refugee camp improve quality of life?
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foogazi 4y ago
> There are an awful lot of suburbs in the Bay Area that would be massively improved in character by replacing a handful of mansions with refugee camps. Not even refugees would want to live near refugee camps

TulliusCicero 4y ago

> It's not a problem to me, that's the point. We get it, you don't care about anyone else, only yourself. This was already clear from your previous comments.

soupbowl 4y ago
I appreciate their honesty. I am little tired of people on the internet pretending to be bleeding hearts for everyone else's problems.

ch4s3 4y ago

Exactly you’re imposing your will on other people’s property. You’re engaged in theft by other means.