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I have a serious problem with the ARRL, so much so that I get a strong feeling of fraud. Check out the 990, they spend a ridiculous amount of money on governm

I have a serious problem with the ARRL, so much so that I get a strong feeling of fraud. Check out the 990, they spend a ridiculous amount of money on government relations and lobbyist, but they haven't accomplished anything in decades. https://www.arrl.org/files/file/ODV/990%20TAX%20RETURN%20%20for%20website%202020%208-9-21.pdf https://www.arrl.org/files/file/ODV/990%20TAX%20RETURN%20%20...

wyldfire 4y ago
I'm completely absent any other context about ARRL - it seems like this is an accomplishment and one that likely was the result of (expensive) lobbying.
- nullc 4y ago
  This bill is dead in the water, it was introduces right before the end of the term so there is no chance that it will come up for a vote. It would have to be reintroduced next term.
  - Overtonwindow 4y ago
    That is true, but looking back at a lot of legislation, dealing with amateur radio, they don't seem to go anywhere. The last thing that actually had a chance was the HOA antenna reform. There are more HAMs today than ever. If the ARRL were serious about policy reform, they would harness those Hams and the many vendors, etc instead of wasting money on a lobbyist.
hakfoo 4y ago
I feel like they would almost have to be a "lobby for their lives" organization. I'm sure Congress is constantly under assault from commercial outfits who covet spectrum that's "just being used by a bunch of boring 90-year-old hams". Being able to maintain the status quo against rich and politically powerful telecom lobbies is an impressive feat.
- Overtonwindow 4y ago
  It's not so much what they are lobbying on it's what they are able to accomplish. The ARRL has not accomplished meaningful legislation early in decades. Maybe I am making progress, they appear to have fired their lobbyist after years of not achieving any goal https://disclosurespreview.house.gov/ld/ldxmlrelease/2021/2T/301282978.xml https://disclosurespreview.house.gov/ld/ldxmlrelease/2021/2T... You can search for the publicly available lobbying disclosure reports that every lobbyist is required to file. Don't take my word for it: Add up the amount of money that the lobbyist is claiming that the ARRL is paying them each year. Then compare that to their 990. The numbers don't match. Why?
ampere 4y ago
It appears the ARRL spent $92k on lobbying, is that a ridiculous amount? Am I missing something here?
- panzagl 4y ago
  I doubt that's even an FTE.
- Overtonwindow 4y ago
  That's a lot better than what they used to spend. When I looked at the 990s for previous years, I saw they were spending a lot of money on lobbying for weren't getting anything for it, or worse they were lobbying for something they don't That's a lot better than what they used to spend. When I looked at the 990s for previous years, I saw they were spending a lot of money on lobbying but weren't getting anything for it, or worse they were lobbying for something they don't need. For example, amateur radio operator day. I spent a lot of money on a lobbyist to try to get a day designated by Congress. Why?
  - ampere 4y ago
    While I agree with you that an "amateur radio operator day" is sillyness. It's worth keeping in mind that the Amateur radio community still has a LOT of valuable spectrum to use. We have lost spectrum recently in the 3.5Ghz band, but sadly that's also a band that goes unused by a lot of radio amateurs. For a hobby like amateur radio, defending what we have today is a vital and important role, even if expansion isn't accomplished. There's no doubt lots of value to be had for private companies gaining use over our spectrum. Defending the majority of we have today is a worthily accomplishment in it's own right.
    - Overtonwindow 4y ago
      I think it is a hobby worth defending, it is a hobby worth pursuing, and as a ham radio operator, I would like to see ARTL do a significant more work in legislation. Based on the lobbying disclosure reports for their lobbyists over the past five years, and the 990s, I believe they have wasted significant amounts of money accomplishing nothing. We NEED to open up more spectrum, encourage people to take up a hobby, teach radio theory, and operation in high school, lower the barrier of entry for getting a radio, there are many, many things that we need to do. Wasting money on lobbyists while not achieving any proactive goal, such as a ham radio operator day, and spending $5000 a month to try to get that, is not good.
jlarocco 4y ago
It's nonsense to claim the ARRL "haven't accomplished anything in decades". In the recent past, HAM radio has kept the spectrum allocated to it, and even gained small amounts, in the face of massive commercial competition. Keeping the HAM spectrum open is one of the biggest priorities for ARRL. Also, it's very shortsighted to complain about "Total lobbying expenditures" of $450k over 5 years. For context, the commercial companies competeing for spectrum have spent billions. https://www.comparitech.com/internet-providers/isp-lobbying/ https://www.comparitech.com/internet-providers/isp-lobbying/
- rsaxvc 4y ago
  > In the recent past, ham radio has kept the spectrum allocated to it... The 13cm band has lost more than half its bandwidth, cutting the band in two. 9cm is gone. I'm sure it would be worse without ARRL though.
  - barganzo 4y ago
    9cm is absolutely not gone. You must be misinformed. FCC gave up on killing it after massive opposition. http://www.arrl.org/band-plan http://www.arrl.org/band-plan
    - nullc 4y ago
      Hm? I thought the FCC's position now was that it could continue to be used on a secondary basis until the FCC auctioned it off. The to 50MHz have been auctioned off and are now out of amateur use. https://www.arrl.org/3-ghz-band https://www.arrl.org/3-ghz-band
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      - barganzo 4y ago
        That’s worse than I recalled. Disappointing.

wyldfire 4y ago

I'm completely absent any other context about ARRL - it seems like this is an accomplishment and one that likely was the result of (expensive) lobbying.

nullc 4y ago
This bill is dead in the water, it was introduces right before the end of the term so there is no chance that it will come up for a vote. It would have to be reintroduced next term.
- Overtonwindow 4y ago
  That is true, but looking back at a lot of legislation, dealing with amateur radio, they don't seem to go anywhere. The last thing that actually had a chance was the HOA antenna reform. There are more HAMs today than ever. If the ARRL were serious about policy reform, they would harness those Hams and the many vendors, etc instead of wasting money on a lobbyist.

hakfoo 4y ago

I feel like they would almost have to be a "lobby for their lives" organization. I'm sure Congress is constantly under assault from commercial outfits who covet spectrum that's "just being used by a bunch of boring 90-year-old hams". Being able to maintain the status quo against rich and politically powerful telecom lobbies is an impressive feat.

Overtonwindow 4y ago
It's not so much what they are lobbying on it's what they are able to accomplish. The ARRL has not accomplished meaningful legislation early in decades. Maybe I am making progress, they appear to have fired their lobbyist after years of not achieving any goal https://disclosurespreview.house.gov/ld/ldxmlrelease/2021/2T/301282978.xml https://disclosurespreview.house.gov/ld/ldxmlrelease/2021/2T... You can search for the publicly available lobbying disclosure reports that every lobbyist is required to file. Don't take my word for it: Add up the amount of money that the lobbyist is claiming that the ARRL is paying them each year. Then compare that to their 990. The numbers don't match. Why?

ampere 4y ago

It appears the ARRL spent $92k on lobbying, is that a ridiculous amount? Am I missing something here?

panzagl 4y ago
I doubt that's even an FTE.
Overtonwindow 4y ago
That's a lot better than what they used to spend. When I looked at the 990s for previous years, I saw they were spending a lot of money on lobbying for weren't getting anything for it, or worse they were lobbying for something they don't That's a lot better than what they used to spend. When I looked at the 990s for previous years, I saw they were spending a lot of money on lobbying but weren't getting anything for it, or worse they were lobbying for something they don't need. For example, amateur radio operator day. I spent a lot of money on a lobbyist to try to get a day designated by Congress. Why?
- ampere 4y ago
  While I agree with you that an "amateur radio operator day" is sillyness. It's worth keeping in mind that the Amateur radio community still has a LOT of valuable spectrum to use. We have lost spectrum recently in the 3.5Ghz band, but sadly that's also a band that goes unused by a lot of radio amateurs. For a hobby like amateur radio, defending what we have today is a vital and important role, even if expansion isn't accomplished. There's no doubt lots of value to be had for private companies gaining use over our spectrum. Defending the majority of we have today is a worthily accomplishment in it's own right.
  - Overtonwindow 4y ago
    I think it is a hobby worth defending, it is a hobby worth pursuing, and as a ham radio operator, I would like to see ARTL do a significant more work in legislation. Based on the lobbying disclosure reports for their lobbyists over the past five years, and the 990s, I believe they have wasted significant amounts of money accomplishing nothing. We NEED to open up more spectrum, encourage people to take up a hobby, teach radio theory, and operation in high school, lower the barrier of entry for getting a radio, there are many, many things that we need to do. Wasting money on lobbyists while not achieving any proactive goal, such as a ham radio operator day, and spending $5000 a month to try to get that, is not good.

jlarocco 4y ago

It's nonsense to claim the ARRL "haven't accomplished anything in decades". In the recent past, HAM radio has kept the spectrum allocated to it, and even gained small amounts, in the face of massive commercial competition. Keeping the HAM spectrum open is one of the biggest priorities for ARRL. Also, it's very shortsighted to complain about "Total lobbying expenditures" of $450k over 5 years. For context, the commercial companies competeing for spectrum have spent billions. https://www.comparitech.com/internet-providers/isp-lobbying/ https://www.comparitech.com/internet-providers/isp-lobbying/

rsaxvc 4y ago
> In the recent past, ham radio has kept the spectrum allocated to it... The 13cm band has lost more than half its bandwidth, cutting the band in two. 9cm is gone. I'm sure it would be worse without ARRL though.
- barganzo 4y ago
  9cm is absolutely not gone. You must be misinformed. FCC gave up on killing it after massive opposition. http://www.arrl.org/band-plan http://www.arrl.org/band-plan
  - nullc 4y ago
    Hm? I thought the FCC's position now was that it could continue to be used on a secondary basis until the FCC auctioned it off. The to 50MHz have been auctioned off and are now out of amateur use. https://www.arrl.org/3-ghz-band https://www.arrl.org/3-ghz-band
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    - barganzo 4y ago
      That’s worse than I recalled. Disappointing.