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FSD is a Boondoggle. (Collision/accident avoidance and driver assist systems are not) I don't think we will see a legitimate L5 automation in our lifetimes. T
by samwillis 4y ago
FSD is a Boondoggle. (Collision/accident avoidance and driver assist systems are not)
I don't think we will see a legitimate L5 automation in our lifetimes. Take my 1.5 mile journey to do the morning school run, in a small UK town:
- Getting off the driveway, there is a wall that creates a blind spot behind it, often other parents are walking small kids who are shorter than that wall. I can't see behind it. I check down the street as I get into the car, watch for subtle reflections, and aware that an adult further down the road may have a kid closer by on a small bike.
- Turning out the end of the road, there are parked cars blocking my view, it's safer to stop slightly further back as you can see slightly better.
- Another turning onto a busy road, at rush hour you can't get out without a considerate driver pausing and waving you out.
- Cross roads that is slightly out of alignment. The collision avoidance on my Audi often incorrectly triggers braking thinking that we are going to have a head on crash.
- Delivery vans blocking a lane, heavy on coming traffic. Considerate delivers on the other side flashing to let you around.
- A right hand turn (uk driving on left). It's better to pull slightly across the centre line letting people going straight on pass on the left, while you wait for a gap across the road. Plenty of space even for the largest trucks on the other side when you do this. Keeps traffic moving and everyone happy.
- Another right turn, no road markings and 4! different exits off the road in under 8m. Often blocked by cars so have to go further forward by a car length and double back.
- School car park! Children walking everywhere, large cars, teenagers who have just passed their driving test, parents dropping their kids out in the middle of a moving queue.
I just don't think it's possible for AI FSD to understand the nuance of all that.
(Yes, a 1.5 mile journey to school, we should be walking)
- orlp 4y ago> (Yes, a 1.5 mile journey to school, we should be walking) You should be cycling.
- samwillis 4y agoI agree, we have two choices, cycle on the busy roads with the 4+8yo or on a footpath through a park and down the pedestrianised road. Second option sounds perfect right? No, there are big signs saying "no cycling" because I live in an F-ing stupid Tory middle England town where that sort of thing is not aloud... Once the 4yo is a little bigger we will be breaking that stupid rule.
- Saris 4y agoIf it's safe yeah, but plenty of areas have no option other than riding a bike in car traffic.
- inatreecrown2 4y agoyou just explained it to a future ai.
- maxerickson 4y agoIn the US going around a vehicle turning out of the traffic lane is illegal. Of course people still do it all the time. The cooperation stuff is going to be harder (though if you have automatic drivers in a majority of vehicles you can imagine the systems planning together).
- cryptoegorophy 4y agoYou definitely need to try FSD or at least watch some latest YouTube videos.
- t0mas88 4y agoThere are many videos on YouTube with it failing these kinds of examples indeed.
- mgiannopoulos 4y agoYou don’t really need it to work 100% of the time for it to be helpful. Users of FSD Beta report not driving manually 90-95% of the time, which sounds amazing to me.
- samwillis 4y agoAgreed, but that's not the mystical "L5" FSD that everyone is aiming for. It's that that I think is a pipe dream.
- phist_mcgee 4y agoMan that first step sounds annoying. We reverse out of our driveway into a blind corner on our street, but at least there aren't too many pedestrians!