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Then you are doing this wrong. It's in your hands how you fill the role. Don't try to learn from people who are also doing it wrong.

silisili 4y ago
No idea what you're talking about. Manager is not CEO. There are forces above.
- ytygg775 4y ago
  Of course there are. And in a good company, those above you will listen to your suggestions for improvement and work with you to make them happen, or something addressing the same issues. Just like you should be listening to your reports and work with them, not against them. This whole "opposing forces" attitude is what makes hierarchies toxic instead of supportive and I'd run the other way if somebody described a workplace like that to me.
  - mythhouse 4y ago
    > And in a good company what % of companies do you think fit this qualifier.
    - ytygg775 4y ago
      Apparently not many. What's beyond me is why people don't leave the shitty ones. HN comments are full of examples where I'd scream that question. But maybe it's not as bad and people like to exaggerate? Or they prefer to complain instead of taking consequences. I suppose seeing oneself as the victim is just the easy way out.
      - mythhouse 4y ago
        > Apparently not many. What's beyond me is why people don't leave the shitty ones. I think its hard to tell from outside which company is shitty and which isn't. Even if you know someone on the inside you might end up in a different team with shitty culture. Can you name couple of non-shitty companies in the US. I can't think of many.
        scruple 4y ago
        Even the ones I could name, that I have personal, direct experience with, have become shitty over time.
michaelt 4y ago
If you work at google and it takes 7 forms to promote one guy, either you’re filling out 7 forms or your guys aren’t getting promoted. Then you get to do 20 hours of interviews trying to hire their replacement instead. So you get a choice - but not much of one.
- hackernewds 4y ago
  Being a good manager is shielding your technical ICs from the whims and BS processes crafted by non-technical ICs.
  - mythhouse 4y ago
    being a human BS shield doesn't sound like a job anyone would be excited to go to work everyday. Ppl do this just for money?
    - ethanbond 4y ago
      Well they also don’t think this is what the job actually is, so they pursue it incorrectly and then, shocker, become very bad managers.

silisili 4y ago

No idea what you're talking about. Manager is not CEO. There are forces above.

ytygg775 4y ago
Of course there are. And in a good company, those above you will listen to your suggestions for improvement and work with you to make them happen, or something addressing the same issues. Just like you should be listening to your reports and work with them, not against them. This whole "opposing forces" attitude is what makes hierarchies toxic instead of supportive and I'd run the other way if somebody described a workplace like that to me.
- mythhouse 4y ago
  > And in a good company what % of companies do you think fit this qualifier.
  - ytygg775 4y ago
    Apparently not many. What's beyond me is why people don't leave the shitty ones. HN comments are full of examples where I'd scream that question. But maybe it's not as bad and people like to exaggerate? Or they prefer to complain instead of taking consequences. I suppose seeing oneself as the victim is just the easy way out.
    - mythhouse 4y ago
      > Apparently not many. What's beyond me is why people don't leave the shitty ones. I think its hard to tell from outside which company is shitty and which isn't. Even if you know someone on the inside you might end up in a different team with shitty culture. Can you name couple of non-shitty companies in the US. I can't think of many.
      - scruple 4y ago
        Even the ones I could name, that I have personal, direct experience with, have become shitty over time.

michaelt 4y ago

If you work at google and it takes 7 forms to promote one guy, either you’re filling out 7 forms or your guys aren’t getting promoted. Then you get to do 20 hours of interviews trying to hire their replacement instead. So you get a choice - but not much of one.

hackernewds 4y ago
Being a good manager is shielding your technical ICs from the whims and BS processes crafted by non-technical ICs.
- mythhouse 4y ago
  being a human BS shield doesn't sound like a job anyone would be excited to go to work everyday. Ppl do this just for money?
  - ethanbond 4y ago
    Well they also don’t think this is what the job actually is, so they pursue it incorrectly and then, shocker, become very bad managers.