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I’ve come to realize the Windows networking stack is bonkers: https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/9354 https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/9354 If I co

I’ve come to realize the Windows networking stack is bonkers: https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/9354 https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/9354 If I could get every game running on Linux, I’d never boot into it.

bitcharmer 4y ago
When was the last time you tried to run a windows game on linux via steam with proton. I am yet to find a title that doesn't work. This was discussed many times on HN.
- bravetraveler 4y ago
  Not even who you're asking, but I'll preface this by saying... I'm a big fan of Proton. With that said, non-working games are fairly common. We should be clear about this; either they don't work at all, or don't work well. Personally, the biggest 'not working at all' game would be Destiny 2. I bring back my VM with a passed-through GPU occasionally for it At risk of arguing their merits, certain anticheats just simply aren't compatible I don't have many in the 'don't work well' category... but my PC is ridiculously overbuilt. There are certainly inefficiencies Whenever that happens it's often a Wayland problem and not a Proton problem
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    Agreed. There are only two windows machines in my house. 1. work laptop 2. gaming machine I tried converting the gaming machine over to Linux, but it's just not there yet. It's making huge strides and I'm super happy about it, but claiming that most or all games run on Linux is waaaaay overstating the reality.
    - bravetraveler 4y ago
      Thank you for the confirmation and support! I love where Linux gaming is going, but we really should be honest about it. The easiest way to leave a bad impression on newcomers is... telling them one thing and having them see the exact opposite. I recommend giving Linux a try, it's way more capable than it used to be. With that said, pack a parachute - you probably will find yourself needing to switch at times.
- _puk 4y ago
  Not every game is on steam.. Modern titles with heavy handed anticheat don't work well on Linux (and likely won't ever). e.g. Modern Warfare 2 is classed as "borked"[0] in proton. 0: https://www.protondb.com/app/1938090/ https://www.protondb.com/app/1938090/
ntauthority 4y ago
Using an issue reported (in a Linux compatibility layer, even!) with few to little root cause analysis as evidence a 'networking stack is bonkers' is a bit exaggerated - IPv6 in itself is also a bit wacky, and I've had similar issues exist in a variety of environments. As an opposite example, here's a Wine bug report of a Windows application failing to work in some network environments, but only if it in any way touches the Linux networking stack (such as using VirtualBox's soft NAT, or if running under Wine): https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53346 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53346 I guess, in general, software (and networking) is 'bonkers'.
- withinboredom 4y ago
  > Using an issue reported (in a Linux compatibility layer, even!) It looks like its an issue with the bridge, nothing to do with WSL, but that is pretty much the only place on the internet to report it. The bridge is literally sending packets to the wrong interface (an interface that isn't even a part of the bridge!). Since it's closed source, no one except Microsoft can look into it. But to figure out what was wrong took a really deep dive into Windows networking, and it is bonkers, absolutely bonkers. At least compared to every other networking stack I've ever deep dived into. Maybe if you spend enough time with it, everything else looks bonkers. So maybe you're correct: > I guess, in general, software (and networking) is 'bonkers'.

bitcharmer 4y ago

When was the last time you tried to run a windows game on linux via steam with proton. I am yet to find a title that doesn't work. This was discussed many times on HN.

bravetraveler 4y ago
Not even who you're asking, but I'll preface this by saying... I'm a big fan of Proton. With that said, non-working games are fairly common. We should be clear about this; either they don't work at all, or don't work well. Personally, the biggest 'not working at all' game would be Destiny 2. I bring back my VM with a passed-through GPU occasionally for it At risk of arguing their merits, certain anticheats just simply aren't compatible I don't have many in the 'don't work well' category... but my PC is ridiculously overbuilt. There are certainly inefficiencies Whenever that happens it's often a Wayland problem and not a Proton problem
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  Agreed. There are only two windows machines in my house. 1. work laptop 2. gaming machine I tried converting the gaming machine over to Linux, but it's just not there yet. It's making huge strides and I'm super happy about it, but claiming that most or all games run on Linux is waaaaay overstating the reality.
  - bravetraveler 4y ago
    Thank you for the confirmation and support! I love where Linux gaming is going, but we really should be honest about it. The easiest way to leave a bad impression on newcomers is... telling them one thing and having them see the exact opposite. I recommend giving Linux a try, it's way more capable than it used to be. With that said, pack a parachute - you probably will find yourself needing to switch at times.
_puk 4y ago
Not every game is on steam.. Modern titles with heavy handed anticheat don't work well on Linux (and likely won't ever). e.g. Modern Warfare 2 is classed as "borked"[0] in proton. 0: https://www.protondb.com/app/1938090/ https://www.protondb.com/app/1938090/

ntauthority 4y ago

Using an issue reported (in a Linux compatibility layer, even!) with few to little root cause analysis as evidence a 'networking stack is bonkers' is a bit exaggerated - IPv6 in itself is also a bit wacky, and I've had similar issues exist in a variety of environments. As an opposite example, here's a Wine bug report of a Windows application failing to work in some network environments, but only if it in any way touches the Linux networking stack (such as using VirtualBox's soft NAT, or if running under Wine): https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53346 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53346 I guess, in general, software (and networking) is 'bonkers'.

withinboredom 4y ago
> Using an issue reported (in a Linux compatibility layer, even!) It looks like its an issue with the bridge, nothing to do with WSL, but that is pretty much the only place on the internet to report it. The bridge is literally sending packets to the wrong interface (an interface that isn't even a part of the bridge!). Since it's closed source, no one except Microsoft can look into it. But to figure out what was wrong took a really deep dive into Windows networking, and it is bonkers, absolutely bonkers. At least compared to every other networking stack I've ever deep dived into. Maybe if you spend enough time with it, everything else looks bonkers. So maybe you're correct: > I guess, in general, software (and networking) is 'bonkers'.