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> I cant image flying that much. I am old enough to remember pre-911 flying and how much better it was before the TSA and their "Stand here with no shoes while

> I cant image flying that much. I am old enough to remember pre-911 flying and how much better it was before the TSA and their "Stand here with no shoes while we treat you like a criminal" procedures. Frequent fliers don't deal with any of that. The first thing you grab is TSA Pre, which is offered alone or part of Global Entry (or NEXUS if you don't mind interviewing along the US/Canada border). This restores your security experience to pre-9/11. You don't take anything off, or out, no laptops, etc. The application fee for TSA Pre and GE is waived with most high-end credit cards. Then to make sure you don't have to wait in line, you sign up for CLEAR which automatically takes you to the front of the TSA Pre line. This fee is also waived by the Amex Platinum. Then when you get back, Global Entry or NEXUS ensure you don't wait in the immigration queues either.

phpisthebest 4y ago
Yes I understand all of those programs, why should have to sign up for all those things. Aside from the inherent classism of it all, which I am often shocked how dual minded people are when they complain about wealth but then absently support these kinds of programs. It is inherently anti-democratic for the government to implement these programs when they should be treating all individuals the same Then there are is the privacy, and constitutional issues with all of those programs, and a leniently of other things that I am sure have no problems for unprincipled persons. sadly I am someone of principle, and ethics
- arcticbull 4y ago
  > ... why should we have to sign up for all those things? Yeah for sure. I agree you certainly shouldn't have to. > Aside from the inherent classism of it all, which I am often shocked how dual minded people are when they complain about wealth but then absently support these kinds of programs. I'm not super convinced by this because honestly flying is a luxury product. TSA Pre is like $80 for 5 years or about 1/4 of the average cab fare from town to the airport per year. The fact services like this cost more money because they get you priority access to a luxury good doesn't bother me. Remember you pay taxes and fees just to be on airport property (baked into the ticket), so this extra tax? Meh. The core service should still of course be better, but it does make sense that your most frequent and ofc lowest-risk users have a more streamlined experience. > Then there are is the privacy, and constitutional issues with all of those programs. I guess. My perspective is the relevant agencies all have this information already. They're getting manifests from the airlines and they have your record, travel history, etc. Are they really getting anything new through you signing up? Open to your take though.

phpisthebest 4y ago

Yes I understand all of those programs, why should have to sign up for all those things. Aside from the inherent classism of it all, which I am often shocked how dual minded people are when they complain about wealth but then absently support these kinds of programs. It is inherently anti-democratic for the government to implement these programs when they should be treating all individuals the same Then there are is the privacy, and constitutional issues with all of those programs, and a leniently of other things that I am sure have no problems for unprincipled persons. sadly I am someone of principle, and ethics

arcticbull 4y ago
> ... why should we have to sign up for all those things? Yeah for sure. I agree you certainly shouldn't have to. > Aside from the inherent classism of it all, which I am often shocked how dual minded people are when they complain about wealth but then absently support these kinds of programs. I'm not super convinced by this because honestly flying is a luxury product. TSA Pre is like $80 for 5 years or about 1/4 of the average cab fare from town to the airport per year. The fact services like this cost more money because they get you priority access to a luxury good doesn't bother me. Remember you pay taxes and fees just to be on airport property (baked into the ticket), so this extra tax? Meh. The core service should still of course be better, but it does make sense that your most frequent and ofc lowest-risk users have a more streamlined experience. > Then there are is the privacy, and constitutional issues with all of those programs. I guess. My perspective is the relevant agencies all have this information already. They're getting manifests from the airlines and they have your record, travel history, etc. Are they really getting anything new through you signing up? Open to your take though.