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I hope not, life is precious no matter what someone has done. The bail conditions include mental health support so hopefully that will help.

tptacek 4y ago
This is a lazy joke about Jeffrey Epstein, who Ken White is also quite certain killed himself; the conspiracy theories about Epstein depend on people's movie-plot misunderstandings of the competence of federal penitentiary workers and their managers (in his telling [and thus my belief]).
- peter422 4y ago
  But why would a formerly super wealthy sex addict who always got whatever he wanted possibly want to kill himself when facing life in prison? It just doesn't make any sense.
  - hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
    If this was meant to be sarcastic, you should add an /s tag. I've seen too many posts essentially arguing exactly what you are saying but that were actually serious.
pcthrowaway 4y ago
Prison conditions in the U.S. are such that I wouldn't fault someone facing down a life sentence from considering a quicker option out. Honestly, I don't even know what the point of prison in this situation is. It won't get anyone their money back, and he's unlikely to be in a position where he can reoffend in the future. I suppose there's the deterrent angle, but I'm not convinced that there's a meaningful difference between a 10 year sentence and a life sentence as a deterrent.
- whatshisface 4y ago
  A lot of people would be willing to spend ten years in prison in exchange for a chance to steal billions of dollars and get away with it.
  - pcthrowaway 4y ago
    Fair, but it remains to be seen if he was stealing for personal gain (embezzlement), or because he had a gambling addiction and was trying to keep his companies solvent. "I'll just borrow these customer assets until I make it back" probably isn't a thing that someone would be deterred from whether it was 10 years or life. People make crazy gambles all the time for a lot less, and end up indebted to bookies who kill them. He'll obviously never be in a position where he can make this mistake again, and I think life in prison doesn't fit the crime, especially for a first-time offender. If he was stealing for personal gain, then sure, throw the book at him. But the available information doesn't make it clear if that's the case yet.
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- hibern8 4y ago
  The US Justice system exists for retribution too, not just deterrence.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    And that’s why we have such long sentences in the US. A few years of prison is quite a strong deterrent already. But voters say that they deserve more than that.
- mef 4y ago
  the point is justice
themitigating 4y ago
Why is life precious no matter what someone does?
paulcole 4y ago
Even if life is precious, isn’t it up to the person facing the situation to decide that for themselves? It’s pretty easy for me to tell someone their life is precious when I don’t have to live their life.

tptacek 4y ago

This is a lazy joke about Jeffrey Epstein, who Ken White is also quite certain killed himself; the conspiracy theories about Epstein depend on people's movie-plot misunderstandings of the competence of federal penitentiary workers and their managers (in his telling [and thus my belief]).

peter422 4y ago
But why would a formerly super wealthy sex addict who always got whatever he wanted possibly want to kill himself when facing life in prison? It just doesn't make any sense.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  If this was meant to be sarcastic, you should add an /s tag. I've seen too many posts essentially arguing exactly what you are saying but that were actually serious.

pcthrowaway 4y ago

Prison conditions in the U.S. are such that I wouldn't fault someone facing down a life sentence from considering a quicker option out. Honestly, I don't even know what the point of prison in this situation is. It won't get anyone their money back, and he's unlikely to be in a position where he can reoffend in the future. I suppose there's the deterrent angle, but I'm not convinced that there's a meaningful difference between a 10 year sentence and a life sentence as a deterrent.

whatshisface 4y ago
A lot of people would be willing to spend ten years in prison in exchange for a chance to steal billions of dollars and get away with it.
- pcthrowaway 4y ago
  Fair, but it remains to be seen if he was stealing for personal gain (embezzlement), or because he had a gambling addiction and was trying to keep his companies solvent. "I'll just borrow these customer assets until I make it back" probably isn't a thing that someone would be deterred from whether it was 10 years or life. People make crazy gambles all the time for a lot less, and end up indebted to bookies who kill them. He'll obviously never be in a position where he can make this mistake again, and I think life in prison doesn't fit the crime, especially for a first-time offender. If he was stealing for personal gain, then sure, throw the book at him. But the available information doesn't make it clear if that's the case yet.
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hibern8 4y ago
The US Justice system exists for retribution too, not just deterrence.
- kube-system 4y ago
  And that’s why we have such long sentences in the US. A few years of prison is quite a strong deterrent already. But voters say that they deserve more than that.
mef 4y ago
the point is justice

themitigating 4y ago

Why is life precious no matter what someone does?

paulcole 4y ago

Even if life is precious, isn’t it up to the person facing the situation to decide that for themselves? It’s pretty easy for me to tell someone their life is precious when I don’t have to live their life.