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Does Apple need to catch up with Qualcomm and MediaTek in terms of raw gpu performance when Apple can optimize software and apis given to developers to work on

Does Apple need to catch up with Qualcomm and MediaTek in terms of raw gpu performance when Apple can optimize software and apis given to developers to work on its hardware? Or am I really out of date and is their public evidence of Qualcomm and Mediattek outperforming apple's hardware in real world workloads? Nvidia primarily makes add on GPU's, if I understand their business correctly. Apple integrated a GPU onto its m2 (or whichever chip is used in their studio) that performs comparably to the 3060, and even beat the the 3090 in some benchmarks/workloads. I think that's pretty impressive.

packetlost 4y ago
> beat the the 3090 in some benchmarks/workloads Did it actually do that or was it in the "performance per watt" comparison?
- literalAardvark 4y ago
  Nah, it gets 10x fewer fps in anything, if you can even run it. Laughable comparison, really, given the disparity of the two. This isn't an ARM vs AMD64 competition where Apple has a 40 year instruction set advantage it can exploit. The 3090 is nearly state of the art.
  - astrange 4y ago
    The official marketing comparison was to a mobile 3090, not a desktop 3090. Completely different GPU.
    - literalAardvark 4y ago
      There isn't a 10x performance difference between the desktop and the mobile 3090, but nice try, Tim.
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Its more the fact that we're talking about Apple catching up at all. Android SOCs have been generationally behind Apple for a long time (and MediaTek in particular as a "budget" option), but now in the GPU space that is reversed. The situation on the desktop/laptop is muddied by CUDA and other Nvidia-exclusive tech - while the M1/M2s indeed trade blows with laptop parts like the 3060 in some specific tasks, once CUDA comes into play Nvidia walks it (unfortunately IMO, even AMD can't compete there and its holding the industry back)
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pr0zac 4y ago
This isn’t at all true despite Apple’s marketing. The M2 gets trounced by the 3060 in any graphical benchmark other than power draw, comparing it to a 3090 is just laughable. https://nanoreview.net/en/laptop-compare/razer-blade-15-2022-vs-apple-macbook-pro-13-m2-2022?m=c.2_d.2_g.1_r.1-and-r.2 https://nanoreview.net/en/laptop-compare/razer-blade-15-2022... Like I absolutely love my M2 air, it’s the best laptop I’ve ever owned but it is definitely not a competitive gaming machine.
- mr_toad 4y ago
  > comparing it to a 3090 is just laughable. The idea of trying to fit a 3090 in a laptop is amusing.
  - Godel_unicode 4y ago
    That’s the point the comment you’re replying to is making, just with more words.
    - maria2 4y ago
      The original topic of conversation was: > Nvidia primarily makes add on GPU's, if I understand their business correctly. Apple integrated a GPU onto its m2 (or whichever chip is used in their studio) that performs comparably to the 3060, and even beat the the 3090 in some benchmarks/workloads. I think that's pretty impressive. The form-factor of the 3090 isn't relevant.
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      - antifa 4y ago
        Kind of like how the form factor of the space shuttle doesn't matter when comparing it's peak speed and cargo capacity to my pickup truck.

packetlost 4y ago

> beat the the 3090 in some benchmarks/workloads Did it actually do that or was it in the "performance per watt" comparison?

literalAardvark 4y ago
Nah, it gets 10x fewer fps in anything, if you can even run it. Laughable comparison, really, given the disparity of the two. This isn't an ARM vs AMD64 competition where Apple has a 40 year instruction set advantage it can exploit. The 3090 is nearly state of the art.
- astrange 4y ago
  The official marketing comparison was to a mobile 3090, not a desktop 3090. Completely different GPU.
  - literalAardvark 4y ago
    There isn't a 10x performance difference between the desktop and the mobile 3090, but nice try, Tim.

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Its more the fact that we're talking about Apple catching up at all. Android SOCs have been generationally behind Apple for a long time (and MediaTek in particular as a "budget" option), but now in the GPU space that is reversed. The situation on the desktop/laptop is muddied by CUDA and other Nvidia-exclusive tech - while the M1/M2s indeed trade blows with laptop parts like the 3060 in some specific tasks, once CUDA comes into play Nvidia walks it (unfortunately IMO, even AMD can't compete there and its holding the industry back)

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pr0zac 4y ago

This isn’t at all true despite Apple’s marketing. The M2 gets trounced by the 3060 in any graphical benchmark other than power draw, comparing it to a 3090 is just laughable. https://nanoreview.net/en/laptop-compare/razer-blade-15-2022-vs-apple-macbook-pro-13-m2-2022?m=c.2_d.2_g.1_r.1-and-r.2 https://nanoreview.net/en/laptop-compare/razer-blade-15-2022... Like I absolutely love my M2 air, it’s the best laptop I’ve ever owned but it is definitely not a competitive gaming machine.

mr_toad 4y ago
> comparing it to a 3090 is just laughable. The idea of trying to fit a 3090 in a laptop is amusing.
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  That’s the point the comment you’re replying to is making, just with more words.
  - maria2 4y ago
    The original topic of conversation was: > Nvidia primarily makes add on GPU's, if I understand their business correctly. Apple integrated a GPU onto its m2 (or whichever chip is used in their studio) that performs comparably to the 3060, and even beat the the 3090 in some benchmarks/workloads. I think that's pretty impressive. The form-factor of the 3090 isn't relevant.
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    - antifa 4y ago
      Kind of like how the form factor of the space shuttle doesn't matter when comparing it's peak speed and cargo capacity to my pickup truck.