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> The Star Wars sequel series (episodes 7, 8, 9) come to mind. I think the majority of complaints came about because they dared to do something new to Star Wars

> The Star Wars sequel series (episodes 7, 8, 9) come to mind. I think the majority of complaints came about because they dared to do something new to Star Wars. My takes: VII — Lame soft-reboot story, typical so-lazy-that-it's-bad JJ plotting. Bad, but not so bad it's not salvageable if the next two are good. VIII — Oh thank god, easily the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy, might even be better than Jedi—oh, wait, everyone hates it? WTF? IX — One of the biggest train wrecks of a movie I've ever seen with a budget anywhere near this large. Fascinatingly bad. I was quite entertained, but not because it was good. It was like a 7-year-old who loooooved the original trilogy wrote their own sequel, complete with messed-up pacing, nonsense plot beats, confusing geography, a bunch of stuff that goes nowhere, and bizarre mash-up action. It was a fun watch in a "laughing at it, not with it" sort of way, but a really bad movie. "Doing new stuff" wasn't the problem. Biggest problem overall was probably that JJ shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a plot, ever. He can punch up dialog (if we must do the modern "quips, quips as far as you can see in every direction" writing, anyway, which apparently we do), direct, and definitely do casting. No touching the plot. On the plus side, only one of them's bad enough that it should be ranked down with the prequel trilogy. But another's not very good, and the other's the middle entry, so hard to recommend when the other two aren't good.

aeneasmackenzie 4y ago
> VIII What did you like about it? I honestly can’t think of anything that landed.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Story, narrative structure, and themes were a lot more interesting than maybe any other Star Wars film. The remixed Empire elements were much better- and more-thoughtfully-used (and more-subtly-) than VII's retelling of IV's plot. Despite including those elements, it took a lot more inspiration from the kinds of sources that went into the original Star Wars movie than the other two in its trilogy do, rather than leaning mostly on other Star Wars films and mainly including a kind of filtered-through-previous-Star-Wars version of those influences. IMO its biggest flaw is that the climax goes so entirely counter to what been foreshadowed hard the entire film, and cuts off any of several directions that alternative-version of it might have gone that would have been much better as far as storytelling possibilities in IX. I mean the part where Kylo offers to partner with Rey and she flatly rejects it. Almost any other way for that to have gone would have been more interesting and fit better with the way the film had been heading—Rey makes the offer to Kylo but he rejects it in favor of a face-turn; Rey accepts it; Rey rejects it, but because she doesn't trust him and wants to take over herself (to "do it right", of course)—anything like that would have been better. It's either a weird miss for the writer, or studio meddling, I reckon—and I'd bet on the latter, because damn does the rest of the script feel like it's going that way, to the point that I was kinda dumbfounded when it did the most boring possible thing instead.
thewrongthinker 4y ago
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- andrepd 4y ago
  >Even if you are leftwing and watch the “movies” for their propagandistic value In all seriousness, you should consider spending less time on the internet. Life is short.

aeneasmackenzie 4y ago

> VIII What did you like about it? I honestly can’t think of anything that landed.

yamtaddle 4y ago
Story, narrative structure, and themes were a lot more interesting than maybe any other Star Wars film. The remixed Empire elements were much better- and more-thoughtfully-used (and more-subtly-) than VII's retelling of IV's plot. Despite including those elements, it took a lot more inspiration from the kinds of sources that went into the original Star Wars movie than the other two in its trilogy do, rather than leaning mostly on other Star Wars films and mainly including a kind of filtered-through-previous-Star-Wars version of those influences. IMO its biggest flaw is that the climax goes so entirely counter to what been foreshadowed hard the entire film, and cuts off any of several directions that alternative-version of it might have gone that would have been much better as far as storytelling possibilities in IX. I mean the part where Kylo offers to partner with Rey and she flatly rejects it. Almost any other way for that to have gone would have been more interesting and fit better with the way the film had been heading—Rey makes the offer to Kylo but he rejects it in favor of a face-turn; Rey accepts it; Rey rejects it, but because she doesn't trust him and wants to take over herself (to "do it right", of course)—anything like that would have been better. It's either a weird miss for the writer, or studio meddling, I reckon—and I'd bet on the latter, because damn does the rest of the script feel like it's going that way, to the point that I was kinda dumbfounded when it did the most boring possible thing instead.

thewrongthinker 4y ago

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andrepd 4y ago
>Even if you are leftwing and watch the “movies” for their propagandistic value In all seriousness, you should consider spending less time on the internet. Life is short.