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> Very few CS students had any experience writing production code, even for toy apps. This meant their ramp up time was often slower than bootcamp grads This s

> Very few CS students had any experience writing production code, even for toy apps. This meant their ramp up time was often slower than bootcamp grads This sounds like self-serving BS to me, or if it’s at all real, it’s indicative of employers not understanding what’s important in hiring for software development. Even if someone takes longer to ramp up, the depth of knowledge is much more important in the medium to long term. Perhaps if the work being done is just churning out boilerplate, the boot camp grad might have a brief edge, but that’s exactly the kind of thing CS grads can automate out of existence. But anyway, the key phrase in your comment is “according to him”. It sounds like he came up with a maximally rosy-eyed rationale for his failure, but the reality was probably a lot simpler: he just wasn’t creating any value.

Hermitian909 4y ago
What a weirdly aggressive post about someone you never met, about a situation and company that you know very little about.
- antonvs 4y ago
  It was a response to a ridiculous claim about the capabilities of bootcamp grads. Sounds like you’ve bought into your friend’s BS. Perhaps he believed it too. But I’m pointing out that it’s much more likely that the bootcamp wasn’t producing quality developers, and became unsustainable once the market became a bit more discriminating.
  - Hermitian909 4y ago
    > a ridiculous claim about the capabilities of bootcamp grads Having met many of these grads, and lived through that phase of hiring, I think it's a lot less ridiculous if you imagine the early bootcamp grads from my friends program as someone who's e.g. a senior mechanical engineer with a degree from good university. These people have strong technical and soft skills and were unusual at the time in that they were already productive in stacks that companies were using. By 2015, you couldn't fill a bootcamp with these kinds of people, so graduate quality is dropping at the same time that universities up their game and start including classes that teach some basic SWE skills. I don't think we actually disagree that the value-add was never that great as the program mostly only helpful to people who already had most of the skills necessary to be a good engineer.

Hermitian909 4y ago

What a weirdly aggressive post about someone you never met, about a situation and company that you know very little about.

antonvs 4y ago
It was a response to a ridiculous claim about the capabilities of bootcamp grads. Sounds like you’ve bought into your friend’s BS. Perhaps he believed it too. But I’m pointing out that it’s much more likely that the bootcamp wasn’t producing quality developers, and became unsustainable once the market became a bit more discriminating.
- Hermitian909 4y ago
  > a ridiculous claim about the capabilities of bootcamp grads Having met many of these grads, and lived through that phase of hiring, I think it's a lot less ridiculous if you imagine the early bootcamp grads from my friends program as someone who's e.g. a senior mechanical engineer with a degree from good university. These people have strong technical and soft skills and were unusual at the time in that they were already productive in stacks that companies were using. By 2015, you couldn't fill a bootcamp with these kinds of people, so graduate quality is dropping at the same time that universities up their game and start including classes that teach some basic SWE skills. I don't think we actually disagree that the value-add was never that great as the program mostly only helpful to people who already had most of the skills necessary to be a good engineer.