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For me a little disadvantage of Meson is that it is implemented in Python. With my interest in minimal systems and bootstrapping I would hope that it would get

by hawski 4y ago

For me a little disadvantage of Meson is that it is implemented in Python. With my interest in minimal systems and bootstrapping I would hope that it would get to be reimplemented in something easier to bootstrap or (maybe preferable) Python environment/version problems would get solved before the wider adoption. I understand, that it may not be as much a problem for others.

aurelian15 4y ago
For what it is worth, there is Muon, a third-party implementation of Meson written in C99 [1]. Haven't used it myself yet, though Muon has been in steady development over the last few years, and the developers claim that they implement the vast majority of the Meson core features. [1] https://sr.ht/~lattis/muon/ https://sr.ht/~lattis/muon/
- mdaniel 4y ago
  I was going to try replacing the KeePassXC build (which is one of the more complicated CMake builds I've had hand-to-hand with) to see what that experience would be like, but they report all the Qt flavors are unsupported: https://muon.build/releases/edge/docs/status.html https://muon.build/releases/edge/docs/status.html I'm aware I could just vanilla Meson but I was specifically interested in kicking the tires on the dbg in Muon since CLion just recently added debugging to CMake and I wanted to compare and contrast
endgame 4y ago
Bootstrapping is something I care about a lot, too, and keeps me on GNU Autotools. Have you found any other options?
- winter_squirrel 4y ago
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- tristan957 4y ago
  Muon[1] is a reimplementation of Meson in C. You should really read the blog post that you are commenting on. 1: https://sr.ht/~lattis/muon/ https://sr.ht/~lattis/muon/
  - mdaniel 4y ago
    > muon analyze - a static analyzer for meson.build files. Capable of doing type inference, checking unused variables, undeclared variables, etc. Whoa, that's fancy! That whole project seems neat, thanks for pointing it out
    - tristan957 4y ago
      It even has a debugger and an auto formatter. Meson is getting an auto formatter in https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/10971 https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/10971.
    - chombier 4y ago
      > type inference This means muon can fairly easily implement user-defined functions without making the language Turing complete. If they did this I would happily (re)consider switching from CMake.
tristan957 4y ago
You should read the blog post you are commenting on.
- hawski 4y ago
  What do you mean? It is not a blog post, those are release notes, that do not seem to me to be relevant to my comment.

by hawski 4y ago

aurelian15 4y ago

For what it is worth, there is Muon, a third-party implementation of Meson written in C99 [1]. Haven't used it myself yet, though Muon has been in steady development over the last few years, and the developers claim that they implement the vast majority of the Meson core features. [1] https://sr.ht/~lattis/muon/ https://sr.ht/~lattis/muon/

mdaniel 4y ago
I was going to try replacing the KeePassXC build (which is one of the more complicated CMake builds I've had hand-to-hand with) to see what that experience would be like, but they report all the Qt flavors are unsupported: https://muon.build/releases/edge/docs/status.html https://muon.build/releases/edge/docs/status.html I'm aware I could just vanilla Meson but I was specifically interested in kicking the tires on the dbg in Muon since CLion just recently added debugging to CMake and I wanted to compare and contrast

endgame 4y ago

Bootstrapping is something I care about a lot, too, and keeps me on GNU Autotools. Have you found any other options?

winter_squirrel 4y ago
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tristan957 4y ago
Muon[1] is a reimplementation of Meson in C. You should really read the blog post that you are commenting on. 1: https://sr.ht/~lattis/muon/ https://sr.ht/~lattis/muon/
- mdaniel 4y ago
  > muon analyze - a static analyzer for meson.build files. Capable of doing type inference, checking unused variables, undeclared variables, etc. Whoa, that's fancy! That whole project seems neat, thanks for pointing it out
  - tristan957 4y ago
    It even has a debugger and an auto formatter. Meson is getting an auto formatter in https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/10971 https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/10971.
  - chombier 4y ago
    > type inference This means muon can fairly easily implement user-defined functions without making the language Turing complete. If they did this I would happily (re)consider switching from CMake.

tristan957 4y ago

You should read the blog post you are commenting on.

hawski 4y ago
What do you mean? It is not a blog post, those are release notes, that do not seem to me to be relevant to my comment.