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I disagree with this: > A person must have the right to chose the terms of their own existence. In the sense that a person doesn't have the right to choose to

I disagree with this: > A person must have the right to chose the terms of their own existence. In the sense that a person doesn't have the right to choose to die, and shouldn't have the right to make that decision on behalf of someone else

etchalon 4y ago
Whether you believe a person has a "right" to choose to die or not, people are fully capable of making the choice, and whether you believe they have to right to or not, people are going to do it. But the harder you make it to do so, the more likely whatever method they end up choosing will harm someone else. A peaceful end with safe, regulated medications in an isolated enviroment is preferable to people jumping off buildings or in front of trains or in front of cars.
- spritefs 4y ago
  > Whether you believe a person has a "right" to choose to die or not, people are fully capable of making the choice, and whether you believe they have to right to or not, people are going to do it. It's one thing to be able to do something, it's another thing to inform the person of the ability to do something and put pressure on them like this (a real conversion in Canada between a patient and hospital administrator): > “Roger, this is not my show,” the ethicist responded. “My piece of this was to talk to you, (to see) if you had an interest in assisted dying.” And also jumping off buildings or in front of cars is a relatively uncommon way of committing suicide
  - etchalon 4y ago
    We can regulate the behaviors of doctors and staff in hospital to ensure they aren't pressuring people to make the choice due to costs. We can fire people who do so. Anecdotal tales of incompetence do not justify the removal of a person's basic right of self.
- oceanplexian 4y ago
  The thing I really don’t like about the whole assisted dying debate, is when people use exactly that phraseology. It’s “peaceful”. It’s “safe”. There’s nothing safe or peaceful about your own death. When Nazi’s put people in gas chambers they used these kinds of semantic arguments to brainwash people into committing atrocities. No one knows what happens after or when we die. We found out after years in the US, after executions by injection which was considered humane was actually excruciatingly painful but the prisoners couldn’t scream because they were effectively paralyzed. The whole idea of this raises red flags to me.
inkblotuniverse 4y ago
Everyone has the Ape right do kill themselves at any time. But you should really do it yourself. If we were more virtuous, there would be little need for these laws- or rather, those who need a man in a coat to tell them they're allowed to die are emotional children.

etchalon 4y ago

Whether you believe a person has a "right" to choose to die or not, people are fully capable of making the choice, and whether you believe they have to right to or not, people are going to do it. But the harder you make it to do so, the more likely whatever method they end up choosing will harm someone else. A peaceful end with safe, regulated medications in an isolated enviroment is preferable to people jumping off buildings or in front of trains or in front of cars.

spritefs 4y ago
> Whether you believe a person has a "right" to choose to die or not, people are fully capable of making the choice, and whether you believe they have to right to or not, people are going to do it. It's one thing to be able to do something, it's another thing to inform the person of the ability to do something and put pressure on them like this (a real conversion in Canada between a patient and hospital administrator): > “Roger, this is not my show,” the ethicist responded. “My piece of this was to talk to you, (to see) if you had an interest in assisted dying.” And also jumping off buildings or in front of cars is a relatively uncommon way of committing suicide
- etchalon 4y ago
  We can regulate the behaviors of doctors and staff in hospital to ensure they aren't pressuring people to make the choice due to costs. We can fire people who do so. Anecdotal tales of incompetence do not justify the removal of a person's basic right of self.
oceanplexian 4y ago
The thing I really don’t like about the whole assisted dying debate, is when people use exactly that phraseology. It’s “peaceful”. It’s “safe”. There’s nothing safe or peaceful about your own death. When Nazi’s put people in gas chambers they used these kinds of semantic arguments to brainwash people into committing atrocities. No one knows what happens after or when we die. We found out after years in the US, after executions by injection which was considered humane was actually excruciatingly painful but the prisoners couldn’t scream because they were effectively paralyzed. The whole idea of this raises red flags to me.

inkblotuniverse 4y ago

Everyone has the Ape right do kill themselves at any time. But you should really do it yourself. If we were more virtuous, there would be little need for these laws- or rather, those who need a man in a coat to tell them they're allowed to die are emotional children.