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Or just use open source software if you want developer incentives to be aligned with users instead of fruitlessly asking developers of proprietary software to g

Or just use open source software if you want developer incentives to be aligned with users instead of fruitlessly asking developers of proprietary software to go against their incentives.

sneak 4y ago
Sadly this is not sufficient. Tools like the Netlify CLI, Mattermost, Bitwarden, and NetData are all open source, but will all still spy on you. Good luck getting patches accepted upstream that remove such malware features.
- twojacobtwo 4y ago
  Source on the bitwarden claim? I've been using it for a while and would like to know for sure if I should switch.
  - Karunamon 4y ago
    Probably referring to telemetry, the only thing I can find is an old, now resolved issue that was brought in thanks to a dependency on MS SQL on the server side: https://github.com/bitwarden/server/issues/286 https://github.com/bitwarden/server/issues/286
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  It is absolutely sufficient because open source provides a quick and easy remedy — fork. I use Vaultwarden. No spying.
  - sneak 4y ago
    I meant the client. Open source does not provide a remedy, as without an Apple Developer account I can't run a forked client easily.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      The problem you have is from using a proprietary user-hostile operating system, not the open source software. The Bitwarden client on F-Droid has no telemetry at all, not even to opt into. https://github.com/bitwarden/mobile/issues/649#issuecomment-553864020 https://github.com/bitwarden/mobile/issues/649#issuecomment-...
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  Homebrew comes to mind. Audacity has had attempts to corrupt it.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    Homebrew lets you turn off telemetry. If it didn't, it would be quickly forked. https://evanhahn.com/prevent-homebrew-from-gathering-analytics/ https://evanhahn.com/prevent-homebrew-from-gathering-analyti...
    - mixmastamyk 4y ago
      Most of them let you turn it off, at least temporarily. As always, the ethical choice is opt-in.

Or just use open source software if you want developer incentives to be aligned with users instead of fruitlessly asking developers of proprietary software to go against their incentives.

sneak 4y ago

Sadly this is not sufficient. Tools like the Netlify CLI, Mattermost, Bitwarden, and NetData are all open source, but will all still spy on you. Good luck getting patches accepted upstream that remove such malware features.

twojacobtwo 4y ago
Source on the bitwarden claim? I've been using it for a while and would like to know for sure if I should switch.
- Karunamon 4y ago
  Probably referring to telemetry, the only thing I can find is an old, now resolved issue that was brought in thanks to a dependency on MS SQL on the server side: https://github.com/bitwarden/server/issues/286 https://github.com/bitwarden/server/issues/286
lern_too_spel 4y ago
It is absolutely sufficient because open source provides a quick and easy remedy — fork. I use Vaultwarden. No spying.
- sneak 4y ago
  I meant the client. Open source does not provide a remedy, as without an Apple Developer account I can't run a forked client easily.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    The problem you have is from using a proprietary user-hostile operating system, not the open source software. The Bitwarden client on F-Droid has no telemetry at all, not even to opt into. https://github.com/bitwarden/mobile/issues/649#issuecomment-553864020 https://github.com/bitwarden/mobile/issues/649#issuecomment-...
mixmastamyk 4y ago
Homebrew comes to mind. Audacity has had attempts to corrupt it.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Homebrew lets you turn off telemetry. If it didn't, it would be quickly forked. https://evanhahn.com/prevent-homebrew-from-gathering-analytics/ https://evanhahn.com/prevent-homebrew-from-gathering-analyti...
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    Most of them let you turn it off, at least temporarily. As always, the ethical choice is opt-in.