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>2. Posts that say "Wikipedia only has [x] more articles but budget has gone up [y]" are beyond stupid. Any idea how many projects besides Wikipedia are run by

>2. Posts that say "Wikipedia only has [x] more articles but budget has gone up [y]" are beyond stupid. Any idea how many projects besides Wikipedia are run by WMF - for instance, ever heard of Wikimedia Commons? Any idea how litigious and heavily-regulated the world has got, and how much effort has to be poured into softening some of the emerging laws, mounting judicial challenges against the rest, etc? Any idea how much funding every usergroup and chapter (sometimes more than one per country, e.g. in Spain) is asking for? Any idea how much effort is put into developing features that encourage new people to start editing, not just consuming? Any idea how expensive it is to support and facilitate the big "Movement" discussions (aimed at decentralising the movement!) and the User Code of Conduct discussions? Isn't it the job of the Wikimedia Foundation to let people know just these things in a way they can understand? Why is it the responsibility of users to dig into the financials of a non-profit begging them for money rather than the other way around? edit: And if the answer is that if people were given detailed and accurate information they'd be less likely to donate then... that answers the question of why you shouldn't donate.

flipbrad 4y ago
What's wrong with these? https://wikimediafoundation.org/support/where-your-money-goes/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/support/where-your-money-goe... https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/financial-reports/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/financial-reports/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation At some point you have to ask yourself "what would victim blaming look like, and how different is that from this"
- marcinzm 4y ago
  >What's wrong with these? These don't seem to allow me to actually answer the questions OP brought up but merely give high level summaries of X% is spent on these N things or the strategic areas without money allotment. If the point of OPs questions is that knowing that information would make me more likely to donate then I don't know that information. >At some point you have to ask yourself "what would victim blaming look like, and how different is that from this" Interesting how questioning giving a money to a specific non-profit is now called victim blaming. I guess corporations really are people now.
  - flipbrad 4y ago
    The OP didn't genuinely ask any questions, they simply mischaracterised the banners that are on Wikipedia at the moment. I'm not the only person in this thread that seems to be having a hard time finding one that's implying Wikipedia could shut down at any moment. "Yes the criticism is wrong, but that's your fault for not informing the critics" is absolutely victim blaming.

flipbrad 4y ago

What's wrong with these? https://wikimediafoundation.org/support/where-your-money-goes/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/support/where-your-money-goe... https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/financial-reports/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/financial-reports/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation At some point you have to ask yourself "what would victim blaming look like, and how different is that from this"

marcinzm 4y ago
>What's wrong with these? These don't seem to allow me to actually answer the questions OP brought up but merely give high level summaries of X% is spent on these N things or the strategic areas without money allotment. If the point of OPs questions is that knowing that information would make me more likely to donate then I don't know that information. >At some point you have to ask yourself "what would victim blaming look like, and how different is that from this" Interesting how questioning giving a money to a specific non-profit is now called victim blaming. I guess corporations really are people now.
- flipbrad 4y ago
  The OP didn't genuinely ask any questions, they simply mischaracterised the banners that are on Wikipedia at the moment. I'm not the only person in this thread that seems to be having a hard time finding one that's implying Wikipedia could shut down at any moment. "Yes the criticism is wrong, but that's your fault for not informing the critics" is absolutely victim blaming.