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I think you're talking about two different things here. I never argued that they are on the same footing. That's true for every country on this planet. My main

by snehk 4y ago

I think you're talking about two different things here. I never argued that they are on the same footing. That's true for every country on this planet. My main point here was that Facebook and Google are allowed to operate in China if they follow the law of the land. I've already said that not operating there is arguably admirable but the point is that they're definitely allowed to operate there if they follow the law of the land. And the laws for them are no different than they are for Chinese companies. Apple and Microsoft are doing absolutely fine in China. Apple's mobile market share there is bigger than it is in Europe. So yes, they already _are_ allowed to gain a comparable market share. As for regular social media; LinkedIn is also doing just fine and always has. Teslas were the #1 electric cars sold for the last time frame I could find. There are various areas where foreign companies are big or even dominate the Chinese market.

robswc 4y ago
>I never argued that they are on the same footing Sure. Though, the footing is so unequal that it effectively prevents US companies from gaining a foothold. Maybe that is a little broad but it certainly leans towards the rule vs the exception. >And the laws for them are no different than they are for Chinese companies. Before or after they start operating? How difficult is that compared to entering the US or European market? >Apple and Microsoft are doing absolutely fine in China. Apple's mobile market share there is bigger than it is in Europe. So yes, they already _are_ allowed to gain a comparable market share. The Government of China is literally trying to stop Apple and Microsoft's dominance as we speak. https://www.kylinos.cn/ https://www.kylinos.cn/ >As for regular social media; LinkedIn is also doing just fine and always has. LinkedIn is doing fine? They shut down LinkedIn literally last year man, lol. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/technology/linkedin-china-microsoft.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/technology/linkedin-china... They're making some BS "CCP compliant" version that _only_ allows you to do job searching but it is certainly not LinkedIn as we know it. Sure. On paper, once you jump through the regulatory hoops you're allowed to exist there... but the difference between the environments (and the bias foreign companies endure) is such that I stand by my original comment.

by snehk 4y ago

robswc 4y ago

>I never argued that they are on the same footing Sure. Though, the footing is so unequal that it effectively prevents US companies from gaining a foothold. Maybe that is a little broad but it certainly leans towards the rule vs the exception. >And the laws for them are no different than they are for Chinese companies. Before or after they start operating? How difficult is that compared to entering the US or European market? >Apple and Microsoft are doing absolutely fine in China. Apple's mobile market share there is bigger than it is in Europe. So yes, they already _are_ allowed to gain a comparable market share. The Government of China is literally trying to stop Apple and Microsoft's dominance as we speak. https://www.kylinos.cn/ https://www.kylinos.cn/ >As for regular social media; LinkedIn is also doing just fine and always has. LinkedIn is doing fine? They shut down LinkedIn literally last year man, lol. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/technology/linkedin-china-microsoft.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/technology/linkedin-china... They're making some BS "CCP compliant" version that _only_ allows you to do job searching but it is certainly not LinkedIn as we know it. Sure. On paper, once you jump through the regulatory hoops you're allowed to exist there... but the difference between the environments (and the bias foreign companies endure) is such that I stand by my original comment.