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since it is a vehicle that is named *panzer, "panzer=tank" feels more correct

justsomehnguy 4y ago
Only for someone who never knew what that word means. Even in English it's Armoured [Infantry] Fighting Vehicle. Though it's like Wehrmacht of Luftwaffe, nobody knows, nobody cares.
- tharkun__ 4y ago
  I think you're both right depending on what we're looking at and how we attribute the properties to words. This seem different in different languages. Also, one word can have two meanings in a language or vice versa. Panzer can mean just "armor". A turtle has a Panzer, which in English is called a shell. Funnily enough, a shell in war context (i.e. the ammunition fired by say a tank) would be a "Panzergranate" (word for word: "tank grenade"). But Panzer is also the German word for a specific type of vehicle called "tank" in English. Like a "Leopard 2 Panzer". Definitely a "proper" tank if you ask me ;) In German the word Panzer is used for more types of armoured vehicles than in English, where we have things like APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier) or IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicle). APCs in German apparently are called "Mannschaftstransportwagen" [0] which in the Bundeswehr are called Transportpanzer. There, that word again: Panzer. Funnily enough according to that Wikipedia link, the Word War II German army ("Wehrmacht") and the East German army ("NVA") called it "Schützenpanzerwagen". Again that word: Panzer. Now go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_fighting_vehicle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_fighting_vehicle and switch to German, which links to the article for "Schützenpanzer". German, the language, likes to reuse words and just combine them. "Betäubungsmittelverschreibungsverordnung" is just three words made into one and it's very easy to understand what it is. "Betäubungsmittel": drugs, specifically the kind that we hear about a lot in recent years, opioids and such. "Verschreibung": prescription. "Verordnung": regulation. In English you need a wonderful sentence like "regulation requiring a prescription for an anesthetic." to translate it (yes I just googled that as an example). I think we can see from that tendency, that in German they'd rather just slap "Panzer" at the end of things. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannschaftstransportwagen_(Milit%C3%A4r) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannschaftstransportwagen_(Mil... [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%BCtzenpanzer https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%BCtzenpanzer

Only for someone who never knew what that word means. Even in English it's Armoured [Infantry] Fighting Vehicle. Though it's like Wehrmacht of Luftwaffe, nobody knows, nobody cares.

tharkun__ 4y ago
I think you're both right depending on what we're looking at and how we attribute the properties to words. This seem different in different languages. Also, one word can have two meanings in a language or vice versa. Panzer can mean just "armor". A turtle has a Panzer, which in English is called a shell. Funnily enough, a shell in war context (i.e. the ammunition fired by say a tank) would be a "Panzergranate" (word for word: "tank grenade"). But Panzer is also the German word for a specific type of vehicle called "tank" in English. Like a "Leopard 2 Panzer". Definitely a "proper" tank if you ask me ;) In German the word Panzer is used for more types of armoured vehicles than in English, where we have things like APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier) or IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicle). APCs in German apparently are called "Mannschaftstransportwagen" [0] which in the Bundeswehr are called Transportpanzer. There, that word again: Panzer. Funnily enough according to that Wikipedia link, the Word War II German army ("Wehrmacht") and the East German army ("NVA") called it "Schützenpanzerwagen". Again that word: Panzer. Now go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_fighting_vehicle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_fighting_vehicle and switch to German, which links to the article for "Schützenpanzer". German, the language, likes to reuse words and just combine them. "Betäubungsmittelverschreibungsverordnung" is just three words made into one and it's very easy to understand what it is. "Betäubungsmittel": drugs, specifically the kind that we hear about a lot in recent years, opioids and such. "Verschreibung": prescription. "Verordnung": regulation. In English you need a wonderful sentence like "regulation requiring a prescription for an anesthetic." to translate it (yes I just googled that as an example). I think we can see from that tendency, that in German they'd rather just slap "Panzer" at the end of things. [0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannschaftstransportwagen_(Milit%C3%A4r) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannschaftstransportwagen_(Mil... [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%BCtzenpanzer https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%BCtzenpanzer