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The only two issues you mention that are real have nothing to do with Linux itself but third-party support. As you even acknowledge there a multiple functional

The only two issues you mention that are real have nothing to do with Linux itself but third-party support. As you even acknowledge there a multiple functional third party cloud drive clients. The other complaints like not all file managers have thumbnails is like complaining not all windows apps have tabs. There are great file managers in Linux with thumbnails and they are the defaults in not the major window managers. Spotify shortcut works fine but maybe you were using a broken package? I never had an issue with Pulse but Pipewire is the new king on the block and works so smooth.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Third party support has a lot to do with how Linux works though. There's a reason Valve basically abandoned the idea of native Linux games and invested in Proton instead, for instance. It's because everything above the kernel in Linux is kind of a garbage fire when it comes to consistency and compatibility. You usually can't even run a binary compiled for Ubuntu 20.04 on 22.04 despite them theoretically being the same OS two years apart. Driver support is hindered by the lack of stable driver ABI, basically forcing drivers to be FOSS and mainlined. Granted, this also has some advantages.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  Valve isn't abandoning the idea of native Linux games. It is up to the game manufacturer. There are probably about 150 games in my Steam library with native support. I think the issues you are referring to about compatibility have to do with dynamic compilation and something like glibc, which mostly is a compilation risk that you end up taking but the only times I've encountered it the other packages were already available in my distro and so it was just a matter of updating packages. That is why you should find a distro that is quick to update.
jorvi 4y ago
> The only two issues you mention that are real have nothing to do with Linux itself but third-party support. If you don’t think sleep or power management issues on Linux are real you should do a cursory google. You not having the flu doesn’t mean the flu doesn’t exist and isn’t running rampant. Also, third party support is critical. The majority of user would not want to use Linux if it didn’t have any access to Dropbox, Spotify, Slack, Discord, VLC, or any of the other creature comforts people expect to be able to use these days. > Spotify shortcut works fine but maybe you were using a broken package? Ctrl + right and Ctrl + left (next & previous track) are broken and have been for a long while now. Again, do some research. > I never had an issue with Pulse but Pipewire is the new king on the block and works so smooth. Pipewire uses PulseEQ. Also, this has nothing to do with what I mentioned (internal speakers not automatically being EQ’d with a ‘small speaker’ EQ). If you ever hear a MacBook, you’ll be flummoxed by how good it sounds in comparison to the tinny sound of your laptop. EQ is king.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > If you don’t think sleep or power management issues on Linux are real you should do a cursory google. It's probably terrible on unsupported hardware. Having used Linux-compatible hardware for a while now though, neither of these are an issue. > majority of user would not want to use Linux if it didn’t have any access to Dropbox, Spotify, Slack, Discord, VLC Good thing all of those programs are natively packaged for most distros, then. > Ctrl + right and Ctrl + left (next & previous track) are broken and have been for a long while now. ...because Spotify migrated it's shortcuts to the more technically-correct MPRIS implementation. If you want shortcuts, set them globally and Spotify will respect it. I'm not going to make the argument that 'everyone should use Linux', but it makes me sad listening to software developers level outdated complaints against the ecosystem. Linux is fine these days, if you don't edit video or do intensive creative work then I see no reason to avoid it.
  - jorvi 4y ago
    > It's probably terrible on unsupported hardware. Having used Linux-compatible hardware for a while now though, neither of these are an issue. Even on supported hardware there are often tons of snags. You either get a ‘blessed’ device (XPS, some Lenovos, System76, Framework) or trouble lurks. And note that many many more devices are considered ‘supported’! > ...because Spotify migrated it's shortcuts to the more technically-correct MPRIS implementation. If you want shortcuts, set them globally and Spotify will respect it. And yet most of the other shortcuts work fine. I also don’t want global player control, because it always ends up activating on the program I don’t want it to. I also don’t want to have to configure shortcuts manually. They should work out of the box. Imagine how laughable it would be if Davinci or Darktable or Krita asked you to set all shortcuts yourself. > Good thing all of those programs are natively packaged for most distros, then. And yet they nearly always have rough edges the other platforms don’t seem to have. See my Dropbox problem. Or Discord running on such an old Electron that it creates problems with Wayland. No, Webcord isn’t a solution as it is missing a bunch of features and in maintenance mode. > but it makes me sad listening to software developers level outdated complaints against the ecosystem I’m getting so irate because they’re not outdated problems. You’re plugging your ears and going ‘la la la la’ thinking that if you don’t acknowledge the problems a lot of others are having, they don’t exist.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

Third party support has a lot to do with how Linux works though. There's a reason Valve basically abandoned the idea of native Linux games and invested in Proton instead, for instance. It's because everything above the kernel in Linux is kind of a garbage fire when it comes to consistency and compatibility. You usually can't even run a binary compiled for Ubuntu 20.04 on 22.04 despite them theoretically being the same OS two years apart. Driver support is hindered by the lack of stable driver ABI, basically forcing drivers to be FOSS and mainlined. Granted, this also has some advantages.

encryptluks2 4y ago
Valve isn't abandoning the idea of native Linux games. It is up to the game manufacturer. There are probably about 150 games in my Steam library with native support. I think the issues you are referring to about compatibility have to do with dynamic compilation and something like glibc, which mostly is a compilation risk that you end up taking but the only times I've encountered it the other packages were already available in my distro and so it was just a matter of updating packages. That is why you should find a distro that is quick to update.

jorvi 4y ago

> The only two issues you mention that are real have nothing to do with Linux itself but third-party support. If you don’t think sleep or power management issues on Linux are real you should do a cursory google. You not having the flu doesn’t mean the flu doesn’t exist and isn’t running rampant. Also, third party support is critical. The majority of user would not want to use Linux if it didn’t have any access to Dropbox, Spotify, Slack, Discord, VLC, or any of the other creature comforts people expect to be able to use these days. > Spotify shortcut works fine but maybe you were using a broken package? Ctrl + right and Ctrl + left (next & previous track) are broken and have been for a long while now. Again, do some research. > I never had an issue with Pulse but Pipewire is the new king on the block and works so smooth. Pipewire uses PulseEQ. Also, this has nothing to do with what I mentioned (internal speakers not automatically being EQ’d with a ‘small speaker’ EQ). If you ever hear a MacBook, you’ll be flummoxed by how good it sounds in comparison to the tinny sound of your laptop. EQ is king.

smoldesu 4y ago
> If you don’t think sleep or power management issues on Linux are real you should do a cursory google. It's probably terrible on unsupported hardware. Having used Linux-compatible hardware for a while now though, neither of these are an issue. > majority of user would not want to use Linux if it didn’t have any access to Dropbox, Spotify, Slack, Discord, VLC Good thing all of those programs are natively packaged for most distros, then. > Ctrl + right and Ctrl + left (next & previous track) are broken and have been for a long while now. ...because Spotify migrated it's shortcuts to the more technically-correct MPRIS implementation. If you want shortcuts, set them globally and Spotify will respect it. I'm not going to make the argument that 'everyone should use Linux', but it makes me sad listening to software developers level outdated complaints against the ecosystem. Linux is fine these days, if you don't edit video or do intensive creative work then I see no reason to avoid it.
- jorvi 4y ago
  > It's probably terrible on unsupported hardware. Having used Linux-compatible hardware for a while now though, neither of these are an issue. Even on supported hardware there are often tons of snags. You either get a ‘blessed’ device (XPS, some Lenovos, System76, Framework) or trouble lurks. And note that many many more devices are considered ‘supported’! > ...because Spotify migrated it's shortcuts to the more technically-correct MPRIS implementation. If you want shortcuts, set them globally and Spotify will respect it. And yet most of the other shortcuts work fine. I also don’t want global player control, because it always ends up activating on the program I don’t want it to. I also don’t want to have to configure shortcuts manually. They should work out of the box. Imagine how laughable it would be if Davinci or Darktable or Krita asked you to set all shortcuts yourself. > Good thing all of those programs are natively packaged for most distros, then. And yet they nearly always have rough edges the other platforms don’t seem to have. See my Dropbox problem. Or Discord running on such an old Electron that it creates problems with Wayland. No, Webcord isn’t a solution as it is missing a bunch of features and in maintenance mode. > but it makes me sad listening to software developers level outdated complaints against the ecosystem I’m getting so irate because they’re not outdated problems. You’re plugging your ears and going ‘la la la la’ thinking that if you don’t acknowledge the problems a lot of others are having, they don’t exist.