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But jargon is not the opposite of straightforwardness, a lot of jargon exists for concise precision[0], and hacker spaces are extremely jargon-heavy. Hell, you

But jargon is not the opposite of straightforwardness, a lot of jargon exists for concise precision[0], and hacker spaces are extremely jargon-heavy. Hell, your comment is full of jargon. "Yuppie", "buzzword", "suit" (and "empty suit"), ... [0] though it's usually very contextual when that's the case, which is really frustrating when things are taken out of context and either become completely unintelligible, or easily misinterpreted (and sometimes wilfully misrepresented).

sph 4y ago
I used those words to be polite and not to call them pillocks. Empty suit isn't jargon, it's a commonly used idiom. Yuppie isn't jargon, I was thinking about the movie American Psycho. It's just a term to refer to your stereotypical middle managers high on their own farts. Avoiding business jargon doesn't mean having to stick to the 1000 most used English words.
- nickelpro 4y ago
  There's not a straightforward consideration of what is jargon, what is slang, and what is argot. Some linguists use the terms synonymously and some have strict theories of categorization, but there's no universal consensus. In any case, your language here would certainly run afoul of the "simple English" the OP is espousing, and the OP terms such things "jargon", so contextually, yes, it's jargon. Although personally I agree, the OP is using a particularly sloppy definition of "jargon", which often has a stronger technical connotation than merely metaphorical or business newspeak language.
- sbuk 4y ago
  > commonly used idiom Which the article points out, though not plainly, should be avoided.
- chrisoverzero 4y ago
  > It's just a term to refer to your stereotypical middle managers high on their own farts. It means “young urban professional.”
  - IIsi50MHz 4y ago
    I always heard "young upcoming professional ".
- masklinn 4y ago
  > Empty suit isn't jargon, it's a commonly used idiom. Sorry to burst your bubble but that’s jargon. > Yuppie isn't jargon, I was thinking about the movie American Psycho. It’s also jargon. > It's just a term to refer to your stereotypical middle managers high on their own farts. I know what those terms mean. > business jargon Oh wow look at those goalposts flying by, amazing.
  - patrick451 4y ago
    In what sense are these words jargon? According to both the dictionary and common usage, jargon is the vocabulary of a specific trade or profession. And yet, yuppie is a word understand and used by everyone from crab fisherman to welders to lawyers to software engineers.
  - honkler 4y ago
    This was the first time I was reading the word yuppie. So certainly not a jargon to me.
  - forgotusername6 4y ago
    Yuppie although originally likely a demographic term now has a well understood meaning. It is no longer jargon.

sph 4y ago

I used those words to be polite and not to call them pillocks. Empty suit isn't jargon, it's a commonly used idiom. Yuppie isn't jargon, I was thinking about the movie American Psycho. It's just a term to refer to your stereotypical middle managers high on their own farts. Avoiding business jargon doesn't mean having to stick to the 1000 most used English words.

nickelpro 4y ago
There's not a straightforward consideration of what is jargon, what is slang, and what is argot. Some linguists use the terms synonymously and some have strict theories of categorization, but there's no universal consensus. In any case, your language here would certainly run afoul of the "simple English" the OP is espousing, and the OP terms such things "jargon", so contextually, yes, it's jargon. Although personally I agree, the OP is using a particularly sloppy definition of "jargon", which often has a stronger technical connotation than merely metaphorical or business newspeak language.
sbuk 4y ago
> commonly used idiom Which the article points out, though not plainly, should be avoided.
chrisoverzero 4y ago
> It's just a term to refer to your stereotypical middle managers high on their own farts. It means “young urban professional.”
- IIsi50MHz 4y ago
  I always heard "young upcoming professional ".
masklinn 4y ago
> Empty suit isn't jargon, it's a commonly used idiom. Sorry to burst your bubble but that’s jargon. > Yuppie isn't jargon, I was thinking about the movie American Psycho. It’s also jargon. > It's just a term to refer to your stereotypical middle managers high on their own farts. I know what those terms mean. > business jargon Oh wow look at those goalposts flying by, amazing.
- patrick451 4y ago
  In what sense are these words jargon? According to both the dictionary and common usage, jargon is the vocabulary of a specific trade or profession. And yet, yuppie is a word understand and used by everyone from crab fisherman to welders to lawyers to software engineers.
- honkler 4y ago
  This was the first time I was reading the word yuppie. So certainly not a jargon to me.
- forgotusername6 4y ago
  Yuppie although originally likely a demographic term now has a well understood meaning. It is no longer jargon.