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While sucky I don't see how any of this is illegal. To me it looks constitutionally correct and I don't want the government legislating this. If the company can

While sucky I don't see how any of this is illegal. To me it looks constitutionally correct and I don't want the government legislating this. If the company can refuse to bake a cake, it should be able to refuse any kind of service. Pretty sure this should be covered by the 1st amendment.

boppo1 4y ago
But we decided companies must bake cakes, didn't we?
- philipkglass 4y ago
  The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the baker, assuming you're referring to this case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission#Majority_opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora...
geoduck14 4y ago
>If the company can refuse to bake a cake, If you are referring to the Masterpiece Cake suit from Colorado, I'm pretty sure that the cake maker won on a technicality: table single member of Colorado's ruling authority said something religiously discriminatory against the cake maker which made their ruling discriminatory. The general question of "can a private cake maker restrict who he makes cakes for" is still unresolved (legally, in the US)
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
  Admittedly the current website-maker might be more accurate
agotterer 4y ago
If that’s the case, how far should they be allowed to go with a ban? What happens if they decide that fans of an opposing team shouldn’t be allowed to attend games? Or people who have been oppositional towards ownership or management, like the press. What about banning everyone who works for a vendor or partner because they are sour about a deal going bad or relationship ending? What about politicians or people with opposing views (I don’t believe that’s a protected class?). Edit: updated to use examples that aren’t part of protected classes.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  Half your examples would be flagrantly illegal. There's no comparing banning members of a rival company you don't like, and banning a race. These aren't even remotely similar from a legal point of view.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    In many states you can legally discriminate against people based on politics. Not California however. Could be a very effective way to keep “that kind” out on both sides.
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      Yes, various states add more protected classes. Height and weight are protected classes in Michigan. I do wonder just how enforceable some of these are; if a bar in California bans somebody for wearing a nazi armband, I have a hard time imagining them losing a lawsuit about it. Regardless, I don't think there's any state in which affiliation with an employer is a protected class. You can't compare this to race or sex, which are protected classes on the federal level, in every state.
  - agotterer 4y ago
    Fair. I updated my comment to be more specific and exclude people who are part of protected classes.
tasty_freeze 4y ago
Don't confuse the issues. A major difference between the parallels you draw is the concept of a protected class [1]: a group which has been granted specific legal protections because of a long history of widespread discrimination. Or do you think it is also OK for the baker to refuse to sell cakes to black people? That is what is in play in the bakery case. The MSG thing is a completely different issue. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group

boppo1 4y ago

But we decided companies must bake cakes, didn't we?

philipkglass 4y ago
The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the baker, assuming you're referring to this case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission#Majority_opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora...

geoduck14 4y ago

>If the company can refuse to bake a cake, If you are referring to the Masterpiece Cake suit from Colorado, I'm pretty sure that the cake maker won on a technicality: table single member of Colorado's ruling authority said something religiously discriminatory against the cake maker which made their ruling discriminatory. The general question of "can a private cake maker restrict who he makes cakes for" is still unresolved (legally, in the US)

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
Admittedly the current website-maker might be more accurate

agotterer 4y ago

If that’s the case, how far should they be allowed to go with a ban? What happens if they decide that fans of an opposing team shouldn’t be allowed to attend games? Or people who have been oppositional towards ownership or management, like the press. What about banning everyone who works for a vendor or partner because they are sour about a deal going bad or relationship ending? What about politicians or people with opposing views (I don’t believe that’s a protected class?). Edit: updated to use examples that aren’t part of protected classes.

LarryMullins 4y ago
Half your examples would be flagrantly illegal. There's no comparing banning members of a rival company you don't like, and banning a race. These aren't even remotely similar from a legal point of view.
- bombcar 4y ago
  In many states you can legally discriminate against people based on politics. Not California however. Could be a very effective way to keep “that kind” out on both sides.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    Yes, various states add more protected classes. Height and weight are protected classes in Michigan. I do wonder just how enforceable some of these are; if a bar in California bans somebody for wearing a nazi armband, I have a hard time imagining them losing a lawsuit about it. Regardless, I don't think there's any state in which affiliation with an employer is a protected class. You can't compare this to race or sex, which are protected classes on the federal level, in every state.
- agotterer 4y ago
  Fair. I updated my comment to be more specific and exclude people who are part of protected classes.

tasty_freeze 4y ago

Don't confuse the issues. A major difference between the parallels you draw is the concept of a protected class [1]: a group which has been granted specific legal protections because of a long history of widespread discrimination. Or do you think it is also OK for the baker to refuse to sell cakes to black people? That is what is in play in the bakery case. The MSG thing is a completely different issue. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group