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> General counsel Erich Andersen wrote to staff that a “misguided plan was developed and carried out by a few individuals within the Internal Audit department t

> General counsel Erich Andersen wrote to staff that a “misguided plan was developed and carried out by a few individuals within the Internal Audit department this past summer”, adding that those involved “misused their authority to obtain access to TikTok user data” in violation of its code of conduct. Ah yes, straight from the playbook: management gets caught being mischievous and throws a few underlings under the bus to save their own asses.

stjohnswarts 4y ago
yeah you can bet those underlings were workign for someone else.
jasonlotito 4y ago
In which case, there would be evidence of that. Prosecutors are notorious for wanting the biggest fish out there. While their might be bigger players that are getting away with this, it's also not unreasonable to think that it happened as the evidence shows. Basically, rather than make stuff up, I'd rather go with what the evidence shows and what can be proven. It's easy to hide in a big company, and it's at a bigger company where it's a lot easier to abuse your position without anyone else, including higher ups, knowing.
- Zpalmtree 4y ago
  they just decided to track journalists for fun with no-one telling them to? seems pretty unlikely to me.
  - bfgoodrich 4y ago
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  - jasonlotito 4y ago
    > they just decided to track journalists for fun with no-one telling them to? That's not what I suggested in the slightest. Stop lying. > seems pretty unlikely to me. Sure, because I imagine they didn't just do it for fun. But that doesn't mean a more senior person has to be involved. Back it up with evidence. Your feelings are worthless. I'm right, and you are wrong.
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KaiserPro 4y ago
GDPR (which is still in effect in the UK) doesn't really care about _who_ misuses the data. I really hope that the information commission has the bollocks to nail tiktok for this
- msla 4y ago
  And the UK is welcome to try to enforce the GDPR against the PRC.
  - cormacrelf 4y ago
    Last I checked TikTok has a huge office in London. They’re not invulnerable to penalties.
    - 1attice 4y ago
      No, but UK enforcement is now quite vulnerable to, say, an HQ move to Paris. Wouldn't want those jobs to go missing during a Brexit war deepfreeze winter. A pity there wasn't some way of harmonizing laws and enforcement with other nearby nation-states. Some sort of "Union". Thinking aloud
      - anakaine 4y ago
        You could probably put a bunch of spin on it that "China has been committing human rights abuses right here in the UK", "threatening journalists", "accessing personal data to track them in their home life", and that "as the government of the people we say that this is not ok". A move to Paris will both optically look, and could again be headlined as TikTok trying to skirt the rule of law to make sure they can keep stealing your data. Announce some extra investment into tech industries using the fines collected from TikTok, using any assets you may have frozen and prevented from leaving the country if needs be, in order to bolster jobs. I think the government of the day could spin it into a PR win.
        1attice 4y ago
throwawaylinux 4y ago
They could be agents for the communist party operating without the knowledge of the regular management.
- pavlov 4y ago
  The management in every Chinese company absolutely knows which employees are working primarily for the Party. They were not hired by accident.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    They probably don't know all of them, if the Party knows what it's about. In the old Soviet system, you had people who were openly members of the Party, political officers placed in your organization. But you also had KGB agents placed in your organization that you didn't know about, because their job was to keep an eye on you.
    - throwaway29812 4y ago
      > They probably don't know all of them That implies a culture of rebellion against overreach and abuse of power, which doesn't exist.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  Definitely possible. But it's also possible that the executives are such agents themselves, and are simply lying.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > could be agents for the communist party operating without the knowledge of the regular management Isn't that worse? Management being unable to make commitments, because they don't control their firms, the Party does, is the central problem with Chinese companies.
bfgoodrich 4y ago
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stjohnswarts 4y ago

yeah you can bet those underlings were workign for someone else.

jasonlotito 4y ago

In which case, there would be evidence of that. Prosecutors are notorious for wanting the biggest fish out there. While their might be bigger players that are getting away with this, it's also not unreasonable to think that it happened as the evidence shows. Basically, rather than make stuff up, I'd rather go with what the evidence shows and what can be proven. It's easy to hide in a big company, and it's at a bigger company where it's a lot easier to abuse your position without anyone else, including higher ups, knowing.

Zpalmtree 4y ago
they just decided to track journalists for fun with no-one telling them to? seems pretty unlikely to me.
- bfgoodrich 4y ago
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- jasonlotito 4y ago
  > they just decided to track journalists for fun with no-one telling them to? That's not what I suggested in the slightest. Stop lying. > seems pretty unlikely to me. Sure, because I imagine they didn't just do it for fun. But that doesn't mean a more senior person has to be involved. Back it up with evidence. Your feelings are worthless. I'm right, and you are wrong.
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KaiserPro 4y ago

GDPR (which is still in effect in the UK) doesn't really care about _who_ misuses the data. I really hope that the information commission has the bollocks to nail tiktok for this

msla 4y ago
And the UK is welcome to try to enforce the GDPR against the PRC.
- cormacrelf 4y ago
  Last I checked TikTok has a huge office in London. They’re not invulnerable to penalties.
  - 1attice 4y ago
    No, but UK enforcement is now quite vulnerable to, say, an HQ move to Paris. Wouldn't want those jobs to go missing during a Brexit war deepfreeze winter. A pity there wasn't some way of harmonizing laws and enforcement with other nearby nation-states. Some sort of "Union". Thinking aloud
    - anakaine 4y ago
      You could probably put a bunch of spin on it that "China has been committing human rights abuses right here in the UK", "threatening journalists", "accessing personal data to track them in their home life", and that "as the government of the people we say that this is not ok". A move to Paris will both optically look, and could again be headlined as TikTok trying to skirt the rule of law to make sure they can keep stealing your data. Announce some extra investment into tech industries using the fines collected from TikTok, using any assets you may have frozen and prevented from leaving the country if needs be, in order to bolster jobs. I think the government of the day could spin it into a PR win.
      - 1attice 4y ago

throwawaylinux 4y ago

They could be agents for the communist party operating without the knowledge of the regular management.

pavlov 4y ago
The management in every Chinese company absolutely knows which employees are working primarily for the Party. They were not hired by accident.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  They probably don't know all of them, if the Party knows what it's about. In the old Soviet system, you had people who were openly members of the Party, political officers placed in your organization. But you also had KGB agents placed in your organization that you didn't know about, because their job was to keep an eye on you.
  - throwaway29812 4y ago
    > They probably don't know all of them That implies a culture of rebellion against overreach and abuse of power, which doesn't exist.
LarryMullins 4y ago
Definitely possible. But it's also possible that the executives are such agents themselves, and are simply lying.
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> could be agents for the communist party operating without the knowledge of the regular management Isn't that worse? Management being unable to make commitments, because they don't control their firms, the Party does, is the central problem with Chinese companies.

bfgoodrich 4y ago

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