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Just another carmaker, that did software really well, instead of the others..

by qikInNdOutReply 4y ago

bamboozled 4y ago
Tesla does software really well ? What ?
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  Yeah they achieved several world firsts in AI. They're pretty good at software, although they do seem to be struggling as of late. How high are your standards exactly?
- akmarinov 4y ago
  Compared to BMW, they’re light years ahead. There’s been 12 updates to Teslas in the last month OTA, BMW did one in 2022 and any car with iDrive 7 (their first to support OTA updates) had to be taken in to the dealer to do the update. Also looking at the apps, sending a command through Tesla’s app is instant, meanwhile BMW’s app makes you look at a spinner for 2 minutes. I’m sure Tesla’s likely cutting corners somewhere to get that kind of performance, but as an end user it’s a great experience.
  - badpun 4y ago
    > There’s been 12 updates to Teslas in the last month OTA That's not something I would ever want for my car. I don't want my vehicle to be at the end of someone's CI/CD pipeline. I would much prefer say a quarterly cadence of rigorously tested, solid new releases. But, that's more expensive and harder to do, so hardly anyone's doing that anymore for non-critical software.
  - nikau 4y ago
    Counterpoint - I just want android auto.
    - akmarinov 4y ago
      You’re thinking only about infotainment updates, where for example recently Tesla pushed out an update that increased charging rates, allowing you to charge up quicker.
      - nikau 4y ago
        I couldn't care less about a minor charging rate increase that is so minimal that they don't even give any details about how much its increased. I'd rather a manufacturer that actually tests and releases fully engineered products rather than winging it with constant OTA upgrades. Tesla track record of OTA for faulty ABS calibration leading to terrible braking distances and a kludge to try and avoid a recall for faults in their HVAC implementation doesn't sell it as a benefit.
        akmarinov 4y ago
        They did indicate the charging rate, it’s now up to 180 on model S/X
- fragmede 4y ago
  The bar for car software is pretty low. Eg https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/14/23508088/volkswagen-software-id4-bug-problem-smartphone https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/14/23508088/volkswagen-soft...
  - qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
    They usually outsourced software to the supply empire, and well, imagine software development, but in a waterfall, bureaucratic, cheapest first wins empire that is trimmed to produce one iterration per car version at best or the ocassionaly at service update. If you want to become more agile and want to sell software as modules and updates, this quite physical seperate dependcy hell comes back to bite you. Its basically waterfall for every update. BMW munich software department was famous for having no developers. Just specs and architects. People who were doing software developer "internships" there, were failed at some universitys cause that would have been a "NoCode" internship. Software in this world was not a living product, thats regularly updated, its a off the shelf part made to specifications. They tried to change in recent years, in reaction to tesla, but i highly doubt they can pull it off. Maybe in eastern europe, they have a developer/software culture.

Just another carmaker, that did software really well, instead of the others..

bamboozled 4y ago

Tesla does software really well ? What ?

faeriechangling 4y ago
Yeah they achieved several world firsts in AI. They're pretty good at software, although they do seem to be struggling as of late. How high are your standards exactly?
akmarinov 4y ago
Compared to BMW, they’re light years ahead. There’s been 12 updates to Teslas in the last month OTA, BMW did one in 2022 and any car with iDrive 7 (their first to support OTA updates) had to be taken in to the dealer to do the update. Also looking at the apps, sending a command through Tesla’s app is instant, meanwhile BMW’s app makes you look at a spinner for 2 minutes. I’m sure Tesla’s likely cutting corners somewhere to get that kind of performance, but as an end user it’s a great experience.
- badpun 4y ago
  > There’s been 12 updates to Teslas in the last month OTA That's not something I would ever want for my car. I don't want my vehicle to be at the end of someone's CI/CD pipeline. I would much prefer say a quarterly cadence of rigorously tested, solid new releases. But, that's more expensive and harder to do, so hardly anyone's doing that anymore for non-critical software.
- nikau 4y ago
  Counterpoint - I just want android auto.
  - akmarinov 4y ago
    You’re thinking only about infotainment updates, where for example recently Tesla pushed out an update that increased charging rates, allowing you to charge up quicker.
    - nikau 4y ago
      I couldn't care less about a minor charging rate increase that is so minimal that they don't even give any details about how much its increased. I'd rather a manufacturer that actually tests and releases fully engineered products rather than winging it with constant OTA upgrades. Tesla track record of OTA for faulty ABS calibration leading to terrible braking distances and a kludge to try and avoid a recall for faults in their HVAC implementation doesn't sell it as a benefit.
      - akmarinov 4y ago
        They did indicate the charging rate, it’s now up to 180 on model S/X
fragmede 4y ago
The bar for car software is pretty low. Eg https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/14/23508088/volkswagen-software-id4-bug-problem-smartphone https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/14/23508088/volkswagen-soft...
- qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
  They usually outsourced software to the supply empire, and well, imagine software development, but in a waterfall, bureaucratic, cheapest first wins empire that is trimmed to produce one iterration per car version at best or the ocassionaly at service update. If you want to become more agile and want to sell software as modules and updates, this quite physical seperate dependcy hell comes back to bite you. Its basically waterfall for every update. BMW munich software department was famous for having no developers. Just specs and architects. People who were doing software developer "internships" there, were failed at some universitys cause that would have been a "NoCode" internship. Software in this world was not a living product, thats regularly updated, its a off the shelf part made to specifications. They tried to change in recent years, in reaction to tesla, but i highly doubt they can pull it off. Maybe in eastern europe, they have a developer/software culture.