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Easily be able to replace the battery yourself is meaningless on its own if the OEM doesn't also sell original batteries. If you shop online for new batteries

Easily be able to replace the battery yourself is meaningless on its own if the OEM doesn't also sell original batteries. If you shop online for new batteries for old phones you're most likely getting a fake or an old battery repackaged as "new". EU should first force the manufacturers to actually sell you original batteries for the phones they sell.

atoav 4y ago
If your battery is easily replaceable there might be a market for it. This is a classical hen-egg problem and to first force batteries to be replaceable is a good start. (This post has been written on a modern smart phone with a replaceable battery).
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >If your battery is easily replaceable there might be a market for it. There already is a market for every phone battery ever made, even though they're not easily removable. The problem is they're mostly fakes or used parts masquerading as new after the scammers have reset their chips. That's the issue that this EU law won't fix. If we could buy the parts directly from the manufacturers supply chain (with the added cost) we'd all be saved.
  - atoav 4y ago
    Yeah, I replaced batteries in devices where replacing the battery meant removing the (glued in) display and the (also glued in) battery more than once before. That is just not something regular people can do.
herbst 4y ago
There are plenty of battery makers that make just as good battery replacements for way less money. My old ThinkPad got a $30 fake battery and is better than ever, in my Canon Camera I even prefer the 'fake' battery, as it's slightly longer living. And I still sometimes find Nokia 3310 compatible batteries in things like cheap china remotes. Pretty sure once there is a real market there will be more than enough alternatives with any quality you could ask for.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  A fake battery could also burn your house down with you sleeping in it.
  - herbst 4y ago
    a real one could too, see Samsung or any toy e-scooters. There are however, and always have been, reputable third party companies that make replacement batteries. Imagine how big the market is for cameras alone. Just a quick glance at Amazon shows you there are 2-3 companies that have nothing but good reputation for their 'fakes'
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      >a real one could too, see Samsung With a real battery from someone like Samsung i know who I can hold accountable and sue for damages when that happens. Especially since Samsung has a legal entity in my country. But good luck doing anything with Lucky Star Battery LLC China. >There are however, and always have been, reputable third party companies that make replacement batteries Which are the ones that make reputable phone batteries? I saw a YouTuber buy half a dozen iphone 6 batteries off the internet and all were found to be fake or original refurbished with significant wear.
      - herbst 4y ago
        I have 0 expertise in phone battery replacements. All I am saying is there is a market for these things once the specs are open and user can choose themselfs.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >I have 0 expertise in phone battery replacements Well my initial post you replied to was precisely about phone batteries if you would be so kind to read it again. So... >All I am saying is there is a market for these things once the specs are open and user can choose themselfs. And I told you already that the market has existed for a long time and is now flooded by low quality fakes and knockoffs that can set your house on fire. So we need legislation to force manufacturer to sell original batteries to the consumers instead of having consumers go online or to dodgy corner shops and risk buying dangerous fakes.
pjmlp 4y ago
A moot point, most of us just buy batteries on street bazars and street repair shops, regardless of their actual quality.
ranguna 4y ago
> EU should first force the manufacturers to actually sell you original batteries for the phones they sell. https://replique.io/2021/03/15/right-to-repair-regulation-mandatory-supply-of-spare-parts/ https://replique.io/2021/03/15/right-to-repair-regulation-ma... Not for everything, but it's a start.
thefounder 4y ago
I'm sure Apple will still replace it for you for the right price
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Like they do already?
  - thefounder 4y ago
    Yes, the exception will be that savy consumers will replace it themselves.

atoav 4y ago

If your battery is easily replaceable there might be a market for it. This is a classical hen-egg problem and to first force batteries to be replaceable is a good start. (This post has been written on a modern smart phone with a replaceable battery).

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>If your battery is easily replaceable there might be a market for it. There already is a market for every phone battery ever made, even though they're not easily removable. The problem is they're mostly fakes or used parts masquerading as new after the scammers have reset their chips. That's the issue that this EU law won't fix. If we could buy the parts directly from the manufacturers supply chain (with the added cost) we'd all be saved.
- atoav 4y ago
  Yeah, I replaced batteries in devices where replacing the battery meant removing the (glued in) display and the (also glued in) battery more than once before. That is just not something regular people can do.

herbst 4y ago

There are plenty of battery makers that make just as good battery replacements for way less money. My old ThinkPad got a $30 fake battery and is better than ever, in my Canon Camera I even prefer the 'fake' battery, as it's slightly longer living. And I still sometimes find Nokia 3310 compatible batteries in things like cheap china remotes. Pretty sure once there is a real market there will be more than enough alternatives with any quality you could ask for.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
A fake battery could also burn your house down with you sleeping in it.
- herbst 4y ago
  a real one could too, see Samsung or any toy e-scooters. There are however, and always have been, reputable third party companies that make replacement batteries. Imagine how big the market is for cameras alone. Just a quick glance at Amazon shows you there are 2-3 companies that have nothing but good reputation for their 'fakes'
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >a real one could too, see Samsung With a real battery from someone like Samsung i know who I can hold accountable and sue for damages when that happens. Especially since Samsung has a legal entity in my country. But good luck doing anything with Lucky Star Battery LLC China. >There are however, and always have been, reputable third party companies that make replacement batteries Which are the ones that make reputable phone batteries? I saw a YouTuber buy half a dozen iphone 6 batteries off the internet and all were found to be fake or original refurbished with significant wear.
    - herbst 4y ago
      I have 0 expertise in phone battery replacements. All I am saying is there is a market for these things once the specs are open and user can choose themselfs.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >I have 0 expertise in phone battery replacements Well my initial post you replied to was precisely about phone batteries if you would be so kind to read it again. So... >All I am saying is there is a market for these things once the specs are open and user can choose themselfs. And I told you already that the market has existed for a long time and is now flooded by low quality fakes and knockoffs that can set your house on fire. So we need legislation to force manufacturer to sell original batteries to the consumers instead of having consumers go online or to dodgy corner shops and risk buying dangerous fakes.

pjmlp 4y ago

A moot point, most of us just buy batteries on street bazars and street repair shops, regardless of their actual quality.

ranguna 4y ago

> EU should first force the manufacturers to actually sell you original batteries for the phones they sell. https://replique.io/2021/03/15/right-to-repair-regulation-mandatory-supply-of-spare-parts/ https://replique.io/2021/03/15/right-to-repair-regulation-ma... Not for everything, but it's a start.

thefounder 4y ago

I'm sure Apple will still replace it for you for the right price

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Like they do already?
- thefounder 4y ago
  Yes, the exception will be that savy consumers will replace it themselves.