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iOS is not majority, not even close, Android dominates the smartphone market. Android runs on Linux, not GNU/Linux, but definitely Linux.

pjmlp 4y ago
Android uses the Linux kernel, which is anyway invisible to app developers, that is about it. My Sony blue ray player and LG smarttv also run the Linux kernel, so what, doesn't change anything for the movies I watch on them, and I doubt they have contributed anything to upstream A phyrric victory.
- hpaavola 4y ago
  I have no idea what victory you are talking about. Linux dominates roughly everything, except desktop. You can go argue about your own things somewhere else. EDIT: runs -> dominates
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Linux kernel yes, GNU/Linux only dominates the server room, and fails everywhere else. A kernel alone doesn't make an operating system.
    - lrvick 4y ago
      Modern sysadmin does not use GNU for servers. A server is an appliance. Just needs a Linux kernel, a container daemon, and a target application binary. The end.
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        A server is an appliance. Just needs a type 1 hypervisor, a container daemon, and a target application binary. The end.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- bee_rider 4y ago
  It isn’t a Pyrrhic victory, the open source community isn’t harmed if Sony takes the code and doesn’t contribute back. Is it selfish of Sony? Sure. But it doesn’t harm the project, it just fails to help. The open source community is in the end just a bunch of developers who share their solutions to help each other out. If other parties copy their stiff, it doesn’t make the open source community’s problems un-solved. The year of Linux on the desktop would be a total nightmare, can you imagine a bunch of non-technical bug reports and feature requests hitting all these mostly volunteer projects? What a mess.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Ah, that is why the community tries so hard to break hardware and reverse engineer devices...
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      This seems like a total non-sequitur, unless there’s a link I don’t see? The people try really hard to get working the systems they are interested in, and then share their results. I mean there are various wikis out there with big lists of printers and wifi dongles (thankfully less of a thing nowadays) that are listed in states of: * I actually could try this on my side and it works * This brand usually has drivers, good luck! * Totally unusable. Imagine if a company with a customer service relationship, like Microsoft, went around dropping support for reasonably recent hardware! It would be seen as a sure sign that they’d betrayed their customers and dropped all pretense of competence. But the expectations for a community project are happily different.
- AshamedCaptain 4y ago
  It is not a phyrric victory for Linux itself, since this is exactly the one victory they wanted to achieve, evidenced by e.g. the reluctance to accept GPLv3.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Sure, if the only thing that matters is the Linux kernel.
    - AshamedCaptain 4y ago
      That is exactly what I said. Notice the rest of the desktop components do not share this allergy to gplv3 linux itself has.
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        Those desktop components are irrelevant in Android and ChromeOS.
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        AshamedCaptain 4y ago
        This is not entirely true; as I argue on another thread, ChromeOS is much closer to desktop Linux than Android is. Anyway, this is orthogonal to the above point.
- rowanG077 4y ago
  That's the point an OS should be nothing more then a platform to run the userspace stuff. I really don't see how it's a pyrrhic victory.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    A kernel isn't an OS.
    - rowanG077 4y ago
      If you want to be this pedantic then GNU/Linux also isn't an OS. Debian is an OS, Arch is an OS. NixOS is an OS. Such statement muddy the water to the point of no longer matching at all what people mean. Because when people talk they don't use the 100% correct technical term.
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        None of them matter for the mobile market, regardless how you call them, Debian or GNU/Linux.
        rowanG077 4y ago
        So what's your point? When people say linux. You take it to mean GNU/Linux. And that honestly comes out of nowhere. At my work we use a ton of embedded devices that don't use GNU but instead use things like busybox. Everyone refers to them as Linux systems. Android is Linux system in every single way. It's not however a GNU/Linux system. But the comment you originally replied didn't claim that.
        pjmlp 4y ago
        Nope it is a Java based OS that uses the Linux kernel.
        Ygg2 4y ago
- Ygg2 4y ago
  Linux isn't the Android OS[1]. It runs on Android hardware, but so does Flappy Bird. The sooner people realize that the better. [1]https://youtu.be/36myc8wQhLo https://youtu.be/36myc8wQhLo
- fragmede 4y ago
  The 50 or so Sony devices supported by PostmarketOS are only there because of that, but maybe that doesn't count for some reason. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices ctrl-f sony

pjmlp 4y ago

Android uses the Linux kernel, which is anyway invisible to app developers, that is about it. My Sony blue ray player and LG smarttv also run the Linux kernel, so what, doesn't change anything for the movies I watch on them, and I doubt they have contributed anything to upstream A phyrric victory.

hpaavola 4y ago
I have no idea what victory you are talking about. Linux dominates roughly everything, except desktop. You can go argue about your own things somewhere else. EDIT: runs -> dominates
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Linux kernel yes, GNU/Linux only dominates the server room, and fails everywhere else. A kernel alone doesn't make an operating system.
  - lrvick 4y ago
    Modern sysadmin does not use GNU for servers. A server is an appliance. Just needs a Linux kernel, a container daemon, and a target application binary. The end.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      A server is an appliance. Just needs a type 1 hypervisor, a container daemon, and a target application binary. The end.
- deleted 4y ago
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bee_rider 4y ago
It isn’t a Pyrrhic victory, the open source community isn’t harmed if Sony takes the code and doesn’t contribute back. Is it selfish of Sony? Sure. But it doesn’t harm the project, it just fails to help. The open source community is in the end just a bunch of developers who share their solutions to help each other out. If other parties copy their stiff, it doesn’t make the open source community’s problems un-solved. The year of Linux on the desktop would be a total nightmare, can you imagine a bunch of non-technical bug reports and feature requests hitting all these mostly volunteer projects? What a mess.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Ah, that is why the community tries so hard to break hardware and reverse engineer devices...
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    This seems like a total non-sequitur, unless there’s a link I don’t see? The people try really hard to get working the systems they are interested in, and then share their results. I mean there are various wikis out there with big lists of printers and wifi dongles (thankfully less of a thing nowadays) that are listed in states of: * I actually could try this on my side and it works * This brand usually has drivers, good luck! * Totally unusable. Imagine if a company with a customer service relationship, like Microsoft, went around dropping support for reasonably recent hardware! It would be seen as a sure sign that they’d betrayed their customers and dropped all pretense of competence. But the expectations for a community project are happily different.
AshamedCaptain 4y ago
It is not a phyrric victory for Linux itself, since this is exactly the one victory they wanted to achieve, evidenced by e.g. the reluctance to accept GPLv3.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Sure, if the only thing that matters is the Linux kernel.
  - AshamedCaptain 4y ago
    That is exactly what I said. Notice the rest of the desktop components do not share this allergy to gplv3 linux itself has.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Those desktop components are irrelevant in Android and ChromeOS.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - AshamedCaptain 4y ago
        This is not entirely true; as I argue on another thread, ChromeOS is much closer to desktop Linux than Android is. Anyway, this is orthogonal to the above point.
rowanG077 4y ago
That's the point an OS should be nothing more then a platform to run the userspace stuff. I really don't see how it's a pyrrhic victory.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  A kernel isn't an OS.
  - rowanG077 4y ago
    If you want to be this pedantic then GNU/Linux also isn't an OS. Debian is an OS, Arch is an OS. NixOS is an OS. Such statement muddy the water to the point of no longer matching at all what people mean. Because when people talk they don't use the 100% correct technical term.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      None of them matter for the mobile market, regardless how you call them, Debian or GNU/Linux.
      - rowanG077 4y ago
        So what's your point? When people say linux. You take it to mean GNU/Linux. And that honestly comes out of nowhere. At my work we use a ton of embedded devices that don't use GNU but instead use things like busybox. Everyone refers to them as Linux systems. Android is Linux system in every single way. It's not however a GNU/Linux system. But the comment you originally replied didn't claim that.
        pjmlp 4y ago
        Nope it is a Java based OS that uses the Linux kernel.
        Ygg2 4y ago
Ygg2 4y ago
Linux isn't the Android OS[1]. It runs on Android hardware, but so does Flappy Bird. The sooner people realize that the better. [1]https://youtu.be/36myc8wQhLo https://youtu.be/36myc8wQhLo
fragmede 4y ago
The 50 or so Sony devices supported by PostmarketOS are only there because of that, but maybe that doesn't count for some reason. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices ctrl-f sony