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But the trust issue applies to Google as well. Or you already know that you cannot trust it.

by steve1977 4y ago

notRobot 4y ago
You can click on different search results from different websites. Not the case with ChatGPT.
HarHarVeryFunny 4y ago
Sure, but there's a fundamental difference. Asking Google is like asking a well-informed and well-intentioned colleague at work - there's a presumption of correctness, but you're still going to verify the answer if it's anything you're depending on. Asking ChatGPT is like asking a question from an inveterate bullshitter who literally can't tell the difference between truth and lies and doesn't care anyway. They'll answer anything and try to convince you its the truth. This difference isn't just due to the immaturity of ChatGPT - it's fundamental to what they are. Google is trying to "put the world's information at your fingertips" using techniques like PageRank to attempt to provide authoritative/useful answers as well as using NLP to understand what you are looking for and provide human curated answers. ChatGPT is at the end of the day a language model - predict next word, finetuned via RL to generate chat responses that humans like. i.e. it's fundamentally a bullshitting technology. ChatGPT has no care or consideration about whether it's responses are factually correct - it's just concerned about generating a fluid stream of consciousness (i.e. language model output) response to whatever you prompted it with. ChatGPT is impressive, and useful to the extent you can use it as a "brain storming" tool to throw out responses (good, bad and ugly) that you can follow up on, but it's a million miles from being any kind of Oracle or well-intentioned search engine whose output anyone should trust. Even on the most basic of questions I've seen it generate multiple different incorrect answers depending on how the question is phrased. The fundamental shortcoming of ChatGPT is that it is nothing more than the LLM we know it to be. In a way the human-alignment RL training it has been finetuned with is unfortunate since it gives it a sham veneer of intelligence with nothing to back it up.
- steve1977 4y ago
  I perceive Google more like a used car salesman trying to get me to buy something as quickly as possible, but I get what you're saying about ChatGPT.
- 3np 4y ago
  Asking Google is more like asking the librarian - you get the primary sources verbatim.

But the trust issue applies to Google as well. Or you already know that you cannot trust it.

You can click on different search results from different websites. Not the case with ChatGPT.

Sure, but there's a fundamental difference. Asking Google is like asking a well-informed and well-intentioned colleague at work - there's a presumption of correctness, but you're still going to verify the answer if it's anything you're depending on. Asking ChatGPT is like asking a question from an inveterate bullshitter who literally can't tell the difference between truth and lies and doesn't care anyway. They'll answer anything and try to convince you its the truth. This difference isn't just due to the immaturity of ChatGPT - it's fundamental to what they are. Google is trying to "put the world's information at your fingertips" using techniques like PageRank to attempt to provide authoritative/useful answers as well as using NLP to understand what you are looking for and provide human curated answers. ChatGPT is at the end of the day a language model - predict next word, finetuned via RL to generate chat responses that humans like. i.e. it's fundamentally a bullshitting technology. ChatGPT has no care or consideration about whether it's responses are factually correct - it's just concerned about generating a fluid stream of consciousness (i.e. language model output) response to whatever you prompted it with. ChatGPT is impressive, and useful to the extent you can use it as a "brain storming" tool to throw out responses (good, bad and ugly) that you can follow up on, but it's a million miles from being any kind of Oracle or well-intentioned search engine whose output anyone should trust. Even on the most basic of questions I've seen it generate multiple different incorrect answers depending on how the question is phrased. The fundamental shortcoming of ChatGPT is that it is nothing more than the LLM we know it to be. In a way the human-alignment RL training it has been finetuned with is unfortunate since it gives it a sham veneer of intelligence with nothing to back it up.

steve1977 4y ago
I perceive Google more like a used car salesman trying to get me to buy something as quickly as possible, but I get what you're saying about ChatGPT.
3np 4y ago
Asking Google is more like asking the librarian - you get the primary sources verbatim.