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I don't follow your point. Are you saying we shouldn't commit to education metrics because a subset of the population aren't capable of fully engaging with educ

by dmix 4y ago

I don't follow your point. Are you saying we shouldn't commit to education metrics because a subset of the population aren't capable of fully engaging with education system? What about the kids who are engaged in education? Should they have to put their systems on hold or change it as a way to help(?) those who can't fully participate? Those seem like two different problems with two different solutions. For ex: solving the environmental issues for the smaller subset and better correlating grades with actual outcomes in education for everyone. Especially if it risks masking problems and may ultimately harm more than it helps.

erosenbe0 4y ago
Oh I think we are referring to two different things. One poster suggested that performance-based pay for teachers is a simple solution and that it could be implemented with metrics. I countered because that is not simple. In addition, many teachers are doing support roles, library, phys ed, social work, reading specialist, etc. OTOH metrics and objective standards are definitely worthwhile indicators. Agreed. In fact, in the modern age of data I think we ought to look at more things to see if there is a latent pattern positive or negative. Reading and math scores are not enough. I want to see physical fitness data. I want to know how many words per minute kids can type. How many dental cavities do they have. Can they pass a civics quiz on state or federal government. Do they know basic geography and have some literacy about the world.
- willcipriano 4y ago
  Make it a sliding scale, performance incentives in the tougher inner city schools should be greater than a easy suburban school.
  - erosenbe0 4y ago
    Yep, or target the incentives based on the composition of the situation on the ground. If your classroom is mixed with 1/3 IEPs for autism and other issues you have different achievable goals.

by dmix 4y ago

erosenbe0 4y ago

Oh I think we are referring to two different things. One poster suggested that performance-based pay for teachers is a simple solution and that it could be implemented with metrics. I countered because that is not simple. In addition, many teachers are doing support roles, library, phys ed, social work, reading specialist, etc. OTOH metrics and objective standards are definitely worthwhile indicators. Agreed. In fact, in the modern age of data I think we ought to look at more things to see if there is a latent pattern positive or negative. Reading and math scores are not enough. I want to see physical fitness data. I want to know how many words per minute kids can type. How many dental cavities do they have. Can they pass a civics quiz on state or federal government. Do they know basic geography and have some literacy about the world.

willcipriano 4y ago
Make it a sliding scale, performance incentives in the tougher inner city schools should be greater than a easy suburban school.
- erosenbe0 4y ago
  Yep, or target the incentives based on the composition of the situation on the ground. If your classroom is mixed with 1/3 IEPs for autism and other issues you have different achievable goals.