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I don't understand the value proposition of ZUI. Yes, I think visually, but I tend to remember things as atoms, or as narratives. An atom might be "CBC means Ci

I don't understand the value proposition of ZUI. Yes, I think visually, but I tend to remember things as atoms, or as narratives. An atom might be "CBC means Cipher Block Chaining", a narrative might be, "you take your plaintext and split it into blocks, then you take your IV and XOR it with your first block, then you XOR block n with the block n-1". I'm not sure that a graph data structure adds value. What's the value add for y'all? Is this mostly an information collection exercise?

pavlov 4y ago
It sounds like you’re thinking about recording facts. The CBC algorithm doesn’t change and doesn’t contain human uncertainties. Designing or planning something is different. You want to record options, potential paths that may not be taken, input from various people with different viewpoints. A graph structure can help manage that by making the branching and grouping more explicit.
greenbit 4y ago
How do you find your way around your home town? The brain's ability to handle that problem is so deep, most people don't even notice. It's taken for granted, like breathing. Graphic representation can plug into that brain system. We all want tools that get out of the way and enable us to focus on the problem at hand, to help establish the much desired state of flow - nobody (I know, anyway) likes to continuously put the business problem on pause to navigate some tool's odd conceptualization of the work space. At least for some users, the value-add is smoother work flow.
- its-summertime 4y ago
  > How do you find your way around your home town? Extremely poorly? I 100% notice my lack of ability to navigate without aid. If I was to guess the representation in my head, it'd be a node graph, which you'd think would be spatial, but doesn't have to be, in my case it isn't. Intersections are just connected to other intersections, that's all I seemingly know: I can't even reasonably predict how far I am along a road! All of this to somewhat say, the "some" in "At least for some users" is doing overtime: I think the answer isn't an infinite canvas, but somewhere in the facts of what an infinite canvas offers us over traditional forms: extreme link-ability between things, and organization of those links

pavlov 4y ago

It sounds like you’re thinking about recording facts. The CBC algorithm doesn’t change and doesn’t contain human uncertainties. Designing or planning something is different. You want to record options, potential paths that may not be taken, input from various people with different viewpoints. A graph structure can help manage that by making the branching and grouping more explicit.

greenbit 4y ago

How do you find your way around your home town? The brain's ability to handle that problem is so deep, most people don't even notice. It's taken for granted, like breathing. Graphic representation can plug into that brain system. We all want tools that get out of the way and enable us to focus on the problem at hand, to help establish the much desired state of flow - nobody (I know, anyway) likes to continuously put the business problem on pause to navigate some tool's odd conceptualization of the work space. At least for some users, the value-add is smoother work flow.

its-summertime 4y ago
> How do you find your way around your home town? Extremely poorly? I 100% notice my lack of ability to navigate without aid. If I was to guess the representation in my head, it'd be a node graph, which you'd think would be spatial, but doesn't have to be, in my case it isn't. Intersections are just connected to other intersections, that's all I seemingly know: I can't even reasonably predict how far I am along a road! All of this to somewhat say, the "some" in "At least for some users" is doing overtime: I think the answer isn't an infinite canvas, but somewhere in the facts of what an infinite canvas offers us over traditional forms: extreme link-ability between things, and organization of those links