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> First, where do I find the most popular one million 12-character passwords that use A-Z/a-z/0-9? I'm sure it may not be easy to find this database, but it is

> First, where do I find the most popular one million 12-character passwords that use A-Z/a-z/0-9? I'm sure it may not be easy to find this database, but it is probably not that difficult if you hang out in the type of circles that the people who cracked that site hang out in. > Math... This strikes me as nitpicking when one can access such powerful computing devices as to make the difference practically irrelevant. So make it 10million and wait a few more minutes, who cares?

slenk 4y ago
Github: https://github.com/danielmiessler/SecLists/tree/master/Passwords https://github.com/danielmiessler/SecLists/tree/master/Passw...
FatActor 4y ago
How is it nitpicking? The distribution tail effectively goes to a frequency of zero. Increasing to 10M doesn't solve the problem because the space is so vast, by the time you get to a fraction that has the similar area under the curve as 1M for 6/7/8 chars, you've lost any compute advantage. We're not talking an order of magnitude, we're talking multiple. As much as I know y'all want to hate on any password manager that isn't your favorite, math doesn't care about what strikes you as nitpicking.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  I don't use a password manager and am not familiar with the math involved; I was going off your 10million number and the post above you's 300,000 iterations/sec.
  - FatActor 4y ago
    I'm trying to understand how Top-N frequency distribution flattens and becomes less useful as search space increases. It is a both a statistical and a psychological issue. If you can't help don't comment.
    - Eisenstein 4y ago
      I think you might find that your life goes a little more smoothly if you weren't so abrasive, confrontational and dismissive. As a side affect, people you talk to won't end up feeling like shit because you possibly will treat them less terribly.
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- bawolff 4y ago
  > by the time you get to a fraction that has the similar area under the curve as 1M for 6/7/8 chars, You are (incorrectly) conflating entropy of a password with its length. > math doesn't care about what strikes you as nitpicking. Math actually cares a lot about the nitpicky details. Both in the sense that small things can have big effects, but also in the sense that things which sound big can also be irrelavent.

slenk 4y ago

Github: https://github.com/danielmiessler/SecLists/tree/master/Passwords https://github.com/danielmiessler/SecLists/tree/master/Passw...

FatActor 4y ago

How is it nitpicking? The distribution tail effectively goes to a frequency of zero. Increasing to 10M doesn't solve the problem because the space is so vast, by the time you get to a fraction that has the similar area under the curve as 1M for 6/7/8 chars, you've lost any compute advantage. We're not talking an order of magnitude, we're talking multiple. As much as I know y'all want to hate on any password manager that isn't your favorite, math doesn't care about what strikes you as nitpicking.

Eisenstein 4y ago
I don't use a password manager and am not familiar with the math involved; I was going off your 10million number and the post above you's 300,000 iterations/sec.
- FatActor 4y ago
  I'm trying to understand how Top-N frequency distribution flattens and becomes less useful as search space increases. It is a both a statistical and a psychological issue. If you can't help don't comment.
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    I think you might find that your life goes a little more smoothly if you weren't so abrasive, confrontational and dismissive. As a side affect, people you talk to won't end up feeling like shit because you possibly will treat them less terribly.
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bawolff 4y ago
> by the time you get to a fraction that has the similar area under the curve as 1M for 6/7/8 chars, You are (incorrectly) conflating entropy of a password with its length. > math doesn't care about what strikes you as nitpicking. Math actually cares a lot about the nitpicky details. Both in the sense that small things can have big effects, but also in the sense that things which sound big can also be irrelavent.