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How will Google know if a website has AI generated text or legitimate information? Did the president really marry a Llhama? What happened in the third inning o

by jvm___ 4y ago

How will Google know if a website has AI generated text or legitimate information? Did the president really marry a Llhama? What happened in the third inning of the world series game. Is the plot of the 5th Avatar movie a real leak or just an AI dream. Google will have challenges once AI generated content explodes across the internet.

djmips 4y ago
Let me summarize the article. Google is apparently frightened by the quick advances of OpenAI and are worried they could be supplanted by a search engine based on the ChatGPT like technology.
- MrFoof 4y ago
  Yep. The challenge for OpenAI right now is how to drive cost-per-query down, particularly if they wanted to scale their capacity to something approaching Google scale. Right now their cost per query is about 10-100x what it costs Google to perform a web search, of which Google performs 8 to 10 billion a day. So currently if they were to try to be on par with Google in terms of capacity their costs would be enormous. So driving those costs down is key. Once that cost gets driven down, it's a whole new ballgame, and probably the first thing so far that could meaningfully challenge Google's core product. There's going to also be extraordinary effort to tweak it, but it'll improve over time. That's not even taking into account business that will (and already are!) building on top of what OpenAI is doing, and tweak it heavily towards specific niches.
  - bagels 4y ago
    How much of Google's costs are serving search vs ads? Is there room in the margin for 10-100x cost for search?
- marstall 4y ago
  I think you just summarized the title of the post. Or rather rendered it with less economy.
barbariangrunge 4y ago
Google fell to seo spam a couple of years ago. Half my search results these days are machine generated lists already, or junk sites filled with keywords, or else “content marketing.” The rest are links to social media sites like Reddit or quora When was the last time you found a legit independent website via google that wasn’t some media company spamming articles for seo? It’s not like you never find those sites, but it’s just rare now Most new content is made for social media in some for or another these days (user generated content aggregator sites at least)
- bagels 4y ago
  I think your last paragraph is the reason, social media has captured all the information that would have made up the "legit independent websites"
- Avamander 4y ago
  There are a few blocklists against copycat/spam sites for adblockers, if you want to make your search results a tad bit more useful.
- marstall 4y ago
  Whats preventing ChatGPT from falling for the same snares?
  - dpkirchner 4y ago
    Hopefully we'll be able to train ChatGPT as users, using feedback mechanisms (either by typing "no that's wrong" or clicking a thumbs up/down). Google used to offer something like that -- a way to exclude sites -- but stopped a while back for some reason, and we've all enjoyed the results of that decision for years.
- nbk_2000 4y ago
  This has been my experience as well. When using Google I used to ignore anything not on the first page. Now I often ignore the first two pages of results, hoping to get to some content that's not SEO-optimized-auto-generated-garbage. By that point of searching though it's pretty much a hail-mary scenario.

by jvm___ 4y ago

djmips 4y ago

Let me summarize the article. Google is apparently frightened by the quick advances of OpenAI and are worried they could be supplanted by a search engine based on the ChatGPT like technology.

MrFoof 4y ago
Yep. The challenge for OpenAI right now is how to drive cost-per-query down, particularly if they wanted to scale their capacity to something approaching Google scale. Right now their cost per query is about 10-100x what it costs Google to perform a web search, of which Google performs 8 to 10 billion a day. So currently if they were to try to be on par with Google in terms of capacity their costs would be enormous. So driving those costs down is key. Once that cost gets driven down, it's a whole new ballgame, and probably the first thing so far that could meaningfully challenge Google's core product. There's going to also be extraordinary effort to tweak it, but it'll improve over time. That's not even taking into account business that will (and already are!) building on top of what OpenAI is doing, and tweak it heavily towards specific niches.
- bagels 4y ago
  How much of Google's costs are serving search vs ads? Is there room in the margin for 10-100x cost for search?
marstall 4y ago
I think you just summarized the title of the post. Or rather rendered it with less economy.

barbariangrunge 4y ago

Google fell to seo spam a couple of years ago. Half my search results these days are machine generated lists already, or junk sites filled with keywords, or else “content marketing.” The rest are links to social media sites like Reddit or quora When was the last time you found a legit independent website via google that wasn’t some media company spamming articles for seo? It’s not like you never find those sites, but it’s just rare now Most new content is made for social media in some for or another these days (user generated content aggregator sites at least)

bagels 4y ago
I think your last paragraph is the reason, social media has captured all the information that would have made up the "legit independent websites"
Avamander 4y ago
There are a few blocklists against copycat/spam sites for adblockers, if you want to make your search results a tad bit more useful.
marstall 4y ago
Whats preventing ChatGPT from falling for the same snares?
- dpkirchner 4y ago
  Hopefully we'll be able to train ChatGPT as users, using feedback mechanisms (either by typing "no that's wrong" or clicking a thumbs up/down). Google used to offer something like that -- a way to exclude sites -- but stopped a while back for some reason, and we've all enjoyed the results of that decision for years.
nbk_2000 4y ago
This has been my experience as well. When using Google I used to ignore anything not on the first page. Now I often ignore the first two pages of results, hoping to get to some content that's not SEO-optimized-auto-generated-garbage. By that point of searching though it's pretty much a hail-mary scenario.