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That seems needlessly cruel. I'm all for getting to the bottom of what SBF did, but he hasn't been convicted of any crime yet. It's important that we go throu

That seems needlessly cruel. I'm all for getting to the bottom of what SBF did, but he hasn't been convicted of any crime yet. It's important that we go through the process before applying punishments.

bigmattystyles 4y ago
I wonder what those in pretrial detention in Rikers do without internet, there only because they don’t have resources to bond out.
- jrockway 4y ago
  Your solution to needless suffering is to add more needless suffering?
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - vkou 4y ago
    If we only permitted accused criminals to have public defendants, instead of being able to hire expensive lawyers, I expect that improving the public defense system would magically become a priority for everyone, or at least, for half of the legal profession. If we got rid of TSA-precheck, I would expect some of the bullshit that regular travelers have to go through would be eliminated. It's pretty easy for people with power and influence to not give a shit about what the rest of us have to deal with, when they never need to experience it.
    - andsoitis 4y ago
      > If we got rid of TSA-precheck, I would expect some of the bullshit that regular travelers have to go through would be eliminated. It's pretty easy for people with power and influence to not give a shit about what the rest of us have to deal with, when they never need to experience it. I must admit: if TSA pre-check is an example of what people with power & influence get away with, then I can simply not be convinced of your case.
    - joejerryronnie 4y ago
      As a TSA-precheck member, I’ve never felt like part of the ruling class until today. Bow before me and tremble!
  - dmkolobov 4y ago
    Probably more like equity before the law.
  - jrjrmlrlrlrr 4y ago
    He caused $8 billion in suffering and you're concerned he can't use the internet?
    - whyenot 4y ago
      That has not been proven. He hasn’t had a trial yet. Maybe you are unfamiliar with the US justice system, but at least in principle the idea is to only punish after someone has been found guilty.
      - user_named 4y ago
        No, it's proven and it's a fact. Legal liability within the US and to what extent, for what, hasn't been proven.
prawn 4y ago
I think if his suggested crime involved use of the internet, there's a case for withholding internet from him. Hard to supervise that at a family home, however. Cruel might be a bit of a stretch. He can read and do some sketching. Bit of home maintenance. Have a crafternoon or two.
- chihuahua 4y ago
  Spend some time thinking about how to make effective altruism even more effective. And bake some sourdough bread.
googlryas 4y ago
Not really, my thought is any kind of bail jumping or favor calling in, or attempts at covering up evidence would be done on the internet. It's to preserve the effectiveness of the trial, not just some arbitrary punishment.
nimchimpsky 4y ago
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coffeebeqn 4y ago
No internet? Oh the humanity

bigmattystyles 4y ago

I wonder what those in pretrial detention in Rikers do without internet, there only because they don’t have resources to bond out.

jrockway 4y ago
Your solution to needless suffering is to add more needless suffering?
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- vkou 4y ago
  If we only permitted accused criminals to have public defendants, instead of being able to hire expensive lawyers, I expect that improving the public defense system would magically become a priority for everyone, or at least, for half of the legal profession. If we got rid of TSA-precheck, I would expect some of the bullshit that regular travelers have to go through would be eliminated. It's pretty easy for people with power and influence to not give a shit about what the rest of us have to deal with, when they never need to experience it.
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    > If we got rid of TSA-precheck, I would expect some of the bullshit that regular travelers have to go through would be eliminated. It's pretty easy for people with power and influence to not give a shit about what the rest of us have to deal with, when they never need to experience it. I must admit: if TSA pre-check is an example of what people with power & influence get away with, then I can simply not be convinced of your case.
  - joejerryronnie 4y ago
    As a TSA-precheck member, I’ve never felt like part of the ruling class until today. Bow before me and tremble!
- dmkolobov 4y ago
  Probably more like equity before the law.
- jrjrmlrlrlrr 4y ago
  He caused $8 billion in suffering and you're concerned he can't use the internet?
  - whyenot 4y ago
    That has not been proven. He hasn’t had a trial yet. Maybe you are unfamiliar with the US justice system, but at least in principle the idea is to only punish after someone has been found guilty.
    - user_named 4y ago
      No, it's proven and it's a fact. Legal liability within the US and to what extent, for what, hasn't been proven.

prawn 4y ago

I think if his suggested crime involved use of the internet, there's a case for withholding internet from him. Hard to supervise that at a family home, however. Cruel might be a bit of a stretch. He can read and do some sketching. Bit of home maintenance. Have a crafternoon or two.

chihuahua 4y ago
Spend some time thinking about how to make effective altruism even more effective. And bake some sourdough bread.

googlryas 4y ago

Not really, my thought is any kind of bail jumping or favor calling in, or attempts at covering up evidence would be done on the internet. It's to preserve the effectiveness of the trial, not just some arbitrary punishment.

nimchimpsky 4y ago

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coffeebeqn 4y ago

No internet? Oh the humanity