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That's "Sir" Johnathan Ive. He was knighted, you know.
by bitops 15y ago
That's "Sir" Johnathan Ive. He was knighted, you know.
- jonhendry 15y agoI'm not sure if he's been knighted yet. The honors come out in a long list at New Years, but I think the ceremonies are done bit by bit over a longer span of time. The Queen would probably get tired waving that sword around for so long. Terry Pratchett's knighthood was announced in the 2008 New Years' list, but it was a couple of months before it was made official at Buckingham Palace.
- SamReidHughes 15y agoNot in America he isn't.
- bitops 15y agoUsually I wouldn't say this, but... Has everyone on HN lost their friggin' sense of humor?! [EDIT: let me clarify by saying that my karma has gone up and down on the top comment. So some folks get it.]
- sliverstorm 15y agoHN has been methodically stamping out humor recently. No joke.
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- techsupporter 15y agoYes, he is. The U.S. Constitution forbids U.S. citizens from receiving honors such as this, but, of course, does nothing to prohibit non-citizens from the same. It is a matter of courtesy to use someone's title, even in the United States. Even the U.S. government refers to people with their titles, such as The Right Honourable Stephen Harper when the Prime Minister of Canada visits the United States. "Sir," especially in an instance such as this, is an earned title with which its owner is entitled to be addressed.
- andrewpi 15y agoActually the Constitution doesn't forbid US Citizens from receiving such honors. You might be thinking of the Titles of Nobility Amendment, which never was ratified by the required number of States.
- Jun8 15y agoHmm, this got me thinking: An interesting loop occurs when you want to announce that person X has been knighted (what is the verb for women, "damed"?), i.e. is now Sir X (SX). The thing is you can't say "SX has been knighted" because that is a tautology. But saying "X has been knighted" sounds wrong because, you know, he's no longer X.
- ComputerGuru 15y ago>(what is the verb for women, "damed"?) Spent a good ten minutes Googling this one. It would seem no separate word exists ('damed' is not a word), though one site suggested the use of 'daymed' (it's a pun. not very funny :) I believe technically both men and women are knighted. One becomes a Sir, and the other a Dame. If you think it sounds funny, I supposed "made a dame" might be another way of phrasing it.
- Silhouette 15y agoIf memory serves, historically the verb "create" was used for high appointments. For example, the monarch would take Bill Smith and create him William, Duke of Somewhere. He would then formally be addressed as Lord Somewhere. I don't know whether the same phraseology would ever have made sense for a knight, though, and I may well be a bit off on the details.
- timthorn 15y agoTry ennobled as an alternative.
- sliverstorm 15y agoYou can always cheat by referring to him indirectly ("design chief has been knighted") or simply claim that you are addressing him informally. The Sir is formal, I do not believe you are required to use it in casual conversation? Well, we could put this another way and say that his name has not changed, in the same way as you might address me as Mr. John Doe OR John Doe OR Mr. Doe. Mr, Mrs, Miss, are all (classically) forms of minor titles.
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